"All or Nothing" Discussion and Analysis Thread

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  1. CarlosKaiser

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    Whoops, meant to say I wonder if this episode featured a focus on Partey.
     
  2. ArsenalJake

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    Feb 11, 2013
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    I found the deep dives into Martinelli and Ben White to be really interesting. Both were highlighted as being extremely committed players in terms of giving it their all in training each day.

    Whereas Martinelli has the typical Brazilian footballer story, with all the love and passion for the game in that country, White had almost no one in his corner who supported his love and passion for football. Dad simply hated the game, Mom didn't go to his games. It's a wonder he even plays football at all.
     
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  3. Tonerl

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    I haven’t seen that ep yet so maybe this was also covered, but I seem to remember White saying he isn’t really a football fan, either. Says he doesn’t watch games for fun ever.
     
  4. ArsenalJake

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    No, he definitely didn't go as far as to say that during the episode. But man, if that's true, I can't think of an example of any professional athlete that would openly put themselves into that category.

    Rod Tidwell, maybe??
     
  5. Tonerl

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    Found it. It was the same interview where the takeaway for most people was that he prefers being called by his given name:

    https://www.skysports.com/football/...d-benjamin-and-does-not-really-watch-football

     
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  6. ArsenalJake

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    Good read. For me the takeaway was:

    "I don't think adapting to a big club (was a reason for my slow start). It didn't feel like a big club when I came here. Everyone is so nice and welcoming."
     
  7. DaPrince84

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    If I’m being honest, nothing about Ben White screams a passionate footballer. He looks more like a model, imo.
     
  8. Tonerl

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    He’s a good player, though: a much better defender than I was anticipating if slightly overhyped on the ball.
     
  9. cantona94

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    If I remember correctly, Josh Hamilton, the baseball player, said he found baseball to be very boring and didn’t watch it, etc. I could be wrong though.
     
  10. Tonerl

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    Brooks Koepka, who has had spells as the best player in the world, has said he doesn’t play golf outside of tour events. Paraphrasing: ‘When you see me on tv playing golf, that’s when I play golf.’
     
  11. ArsenalJake

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    Sounds like LIV Golf is gonna work out perfectly for Brooksy then :thumbsup:
     
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  12. DaPrince84

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    No, he is a good player.

    Im saying if you looked at him. He doesn’t look like a footballer
     
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  13. Tonerl

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    #63 Tonerl, Aug 11, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2022
    Yeah it’s a ridiculous situation. These assholes are taking insane money from a despicable regime and pretending it’s not about the money by accusing the PGA Tour of anti-competitive behavior.

    And the PGA Tour is definitely guilty of super bad and anti-competitive behavior!

    But for real any tour player who left for Saudi money and is pretending that the PGA Tour is worse is just full of shit.

    ETA I almost put something in my original post referring to Koepka about his joining the golf equivalent of the European Super League but scrapped it because I felt it was beyond the scope of the convo. Now that it is in the scope…the above are some of my thoughts
     
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  14. And_ROOS

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    **Draws something on a whiteboard**
    "HEY, GUYS, I FARKING JUST WANT COMMITMENT, AND PASHUN. GIVE ME FARKING PASHUN. GIVE ME FARKING COMMITMENT.
    LEZ GO OUT AND WIN!"
     
  15. NorthBank

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    Yeah I’m not so impressed with Mikel’s motivational talks/rants in the dressing room. It seems a little manufactured to me and so it seems a bit too over the top to seem 100% heartfelt believable. And I could imagine players tuning it out to some degree.

    That’s obviously just my perception. YMMV.
     
  16. And_ROOS

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    I went to school with guys that went on to play at the top level of AFL and A-League in Aus and they have told me the best coaches don't do sprays often, don't rely on overly emotive language because the more you do it the more accustomed you get to it.

    Ill be honest, Ive hated the ranting style coaches. I like measured approaches, it screams confidence to me.

    I play at a way lower level but we went in at HT the other week down 2-0, and we have an older team. No ranting, no bullshit, just everyone getting around with measured comments on what we need to do to recover the match. Ended up winning 4-2. Don't think a coach going "THIS IS ********ING BULLSHIT" would have helped.
     
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  17. NorthBank

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    Just watched Ep.6… a good one I thought. Really gives a sense of the loneliness at the top. But great to hear the away fans singing for him after Villa Park.

    When are the final episodes released?
     
  18. ArsenalJake

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    Amazon indicated new episodes each Thursday, but the first 2 drops both occurred on Wednesday evening, before 8:30pm ET.
     
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  19. NorthBank

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    Which is early Thurs morning in UK. Thx.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    One reason not to do it is there are different personality styles in the team

    Imagine your own boss in a high pressure situation yelling at team members.

    In a lot of situations people won't respond positively to it
     
  21. NorthBank

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    Yeah I’m still surprised at how often he was yelling and swearing during “motivational” sessions on gamedays. And my gut says it’s not always helpful.

    It’ll be interesting to see if the trend continues or changes in the final two episodes, as the pressure cranks up the clinch top four.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    I had this conversation with a guy from finance after we heard a high performance session from Dyche

    We both agreed that his level of swearing was kind of refreshing compared to the "safe" corporate world - because on those kinds of teams, people talk like that anyway?

    I think this is just the macho culture of football, finance etc
     
  23. NorthBank

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    Personally I prefer the more reserved passion that he shows in interviews, along with their coherence and cogency. But then I’m not a 24YO macho footballer, as you say.
     
  24. And_ROOS

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    I can tell you that I don't appreciate "copping a spray" as we put it here in Aus.

    Imagine hearing that for 46 games in the ********ing Championship.
     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Belgium
    Exactly! There's been times when I've probably deserved criticism and needed to hear it, but it can cause a lot of resentment when there might have been other reasons? especially management screwing up ;)

    Roy Keane has done some very interesting talks about this stuff with Neville - basically the mythology of the SAF hairdryer was exaggerated. Like his fury at Beckham with the boot incident is most likely an example of loss of control and professionalism that was harmful to the team.

    Keane says that the standards in the peak Utd team were set by the wider player group more than Fergus.

    IMO management misunderstands that you can achieve it via hanging up some motivational posters or the right talks.

    It's also why Ole couldn't recapture it despite having experienced it. The institutional knowledge of it at Utd is long gone
     

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