Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    Cronaldo’s case was thrown out, right?

    So not sure who you mean?
     
  2. ArsenalMetro

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    #30802 ArsenalMetro, Aug 8, 2022
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    For attorney misconduct, not on the merits.

    That Ronaldo sexually assaulted a woman in Las Vegas in 2009 isn't really in dispute, even if it wasn't pursued criminally. Whether he was liable for more damages beyond the initial hush-money settlement was the question in the most recent case.
     
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  3. daedalus

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    Apr 24, 2004
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    man, i don't know details about her work and maybe she's a great agent otherwise but that seems an unwise choice. when family is involved, it's often hard to have enough separation to remain detached and logical.
     
  4. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    Mason Greenwood. I don’t believe he’s been convicted yet, but apparently there is some pretty damning video.
     
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  5. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    She wasn’t his agent but AMN’s mother was a helicopter parent when he was in the academy and was ultimately banned from the facilities.
     
  6. daedalus

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    oh, good christ. i don't even understand how you can explain it to these people that they are not at all helping their children with that shit.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Belgium
    I think there are a mix of reasons for keeping it in the family

    1. Lack of trust in 'professional' consultants (football is a sewer)

    2. Keep the $$ in the family (agent fee goes to parents)

    3. Criming is kept inhouse (e.g Neymars dad)
     
  8. daedalus

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    i can dig that. like, unregulated agent stuff just sounds . . . insane. and i can get trying to keep your money in the family but, man, there are good reasons to have professionals do their job.

    but, like, being a helicopter parent just sounds dumb as balls.
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Germany
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    Belgium
    I can't wait till his mum has a slap fight with ronaldo in the corporate box
     
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  10. And_ROOS

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    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Its based on a financing term called "economic levers".
    Apparently Barca has 7 of these levers, so far its selling future earnings for an amount now and selling stakes in some of their in house companies.
     
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  11. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    Apparently part of the problem is they sold one of those levers to themselves. Sounds a lot like fraud.
     
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  12. GunnerJacket

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    Sep 18, 2003
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    Or just outright stupidity. Either way, not a good look.

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  13. And_ROOS

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    Melbourne, Aus
    Apparently Barca have found 50 to 60 mil for Bernardo Silva.
     
  14. NorthBank

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    I assumed it was related to leverage?

    In any case the whole thing reminds me of a game of Monopoly… when one player is losing BIG and resorts to mortgaging their properties just to keep some sort of cash reserves and stay afloat.

    In Monopoly this generally ends very badly for the person who resorted to that, even if it’s their only choice to stay alive short term.

    I’m not really following the Barca financial mess very closely so I’m not saying this analogy is perfect. Just that it reminds of…
     
  15. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Now it seems Betis is about to pull a financial lever...

    [​IMG]

    Above graphic shows how many La Liga teams have unregistered players.

    Barca 7, Betis 6...

    Barca CAN already register some of those 7, they just haven't.
     
  16. daedalus

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    Apr 24, 2004
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    WTF? i hadn't thought of that before but that usage would make sense.
    that's what jitty has been saying. they're kicking the can down the road for a reduced cut. it's sort of what we had to do with emirates. except ours was to finance a stadium for future growth and theirs is for vanity.
     
  17. daedalus

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    i thought they have been told by la liga that they could not?
     
  18. And_ROOS

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    Melbourne, Aus
    The article I saw claims they could register like 1 or maybe 2, maybe they were incorrect. The article that claimed that was not the same one I got that image from.
     
  19. chjoak

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    Jun 17, 2009
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    Seeing claims that Kessie & Christensen's contracts may be voided if they aren't registered by Saturday
     
  20. DaPrince84

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    It’s an option they have.
     
  21. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Unilaterally or mutually? If it’s unilaterally I foresee legal action.
     
  22. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    United States
    Don't know for sure. I assume it's the player option to void if they aren't going to be able to be registered. Maybe part of La Liga contract regulations?
     
  23. CarlosKaiser

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    Arsenal
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    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Christensen and Kessie both played on the US tour, I assume they've been receiving their weekly paychecks up until now. I don't see how voiding their contracts would be any easier that voiding the contract of any other player.
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    What is bizarre is that their last reported turnover in 2020 was (a reduced) EUR715m and now they have raised 700m in borrowing/sales - so they will be awash in cash for this year - 1.4bn

    So while paying down short term debt would be a good idea, one of the best things they can do with the money, is invest it in players who will deliver CL performances and commercial sponsorship - except they are not allowed to.
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I understand Barca is holding off registering a subset of the players for obvious reasons
     

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