England U-18 Discussions Thread (2006 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by Jenks, Sep 21, 2013.

  1. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    0-0, England win the tournament.
     
  2. rutters

    rutters Member

    Sep 17, 2018
    Won 4-3 on pens. This was the complete team:

    England starting XI: 1 Joe Whitworth (Crystal Palace), 2 Reuell Walters (Arsenal), 3 Thierry Small (Southampton), 4 Sammy Braybrooke (Leicester City) ©, 5 Ben Nelson (Leicester City), 6 Finley Potter (Sheffield United), 7 Sonny Perkins (West Ham United), 8 George Hall (Birmingham City), 9 Divin Mubama (West Ham United), 10 Jack Wells-Morrison (Crystal Palace), 11 Kian Pennant (Leicester City)

    Substitutes: 15 Brodi Hughes (Chelsea) for Nelson 56’, 19 Jude Soonsup-Bell (Chelsea) for Mubama 61’, 12 Kaden Rodney (Crystal Palace) for Small 61’, 20 Oliver Arblaster (Sheffield United) for Wells-Morrison 70’, 17 Michael Olakigbe (Fulham) for Pennant 70’, 14 Charlie Webster (Chelsea) for Hall 84’, 18 Bradley Ibrahim (Arsenal) for Braybrooke 84’

    Substitutes not used: 13 James Beadle (Brighton & Hove Albion), 22 Tommy Simkin (Stoke City), 16 Harvey Araujo (Fulham), 21 Lewis Hall (Chelsea), 23 Zak Sturge (Brighton & Hove Albion)

    https://www.englandfootball.com/art...nder-18s-versus-croatia-match-report-20220613
     
  3. Slater582

    Slater582 Member

    Jul 21, 2008
    Shrewsbury, England
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Just looked at the team photo from the link Rutters posted and hadn't realised how diminutive Joe Whitworth happens to be. Goalkeepers aren't always the tallest in the side but rare to be almost the smallest lad!
     
  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    There is an article with the former Man United youth coach Neil Ryan in the Athletic who is now working with this age group. I have included the bits where he talks about his new role

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    Ryan started last week and, after his induction at St George’s Park, travelled to Slovakia for the under-19s European Championship to scout opponents and meet colleagues in an intimate setting. Longer-term, his focus is on developing England players.

    “I’m really comfortable because I’ve worked so long with those ages,” he says. “It will be a different challenge to not having them day in, day out. But I’ve been thinking about it quite a bit — after 19 years it feels like you’ve been on this treadmill. It’s brilliant but it takes its toll.

    “This is gonna be the same sort of work, but you’ll have those breaks to get out to other clubs, see them train, see other coaches, academy managers, heads of coaching. At United, I have been quite cocooned. I make the point, lucky. Really good staff around me for so many years. Quite tight. Subsequently you don’t tend to get out and about to too many other clubs.

    “I enjoy speaking to people, looking at new methods of development. There are loads of different ideas. There might be an untapped diamond who hasn’t quite got the recognition. Maybe we get them in, give them the opportunity, help the national team that way.

    “You might put boys up into a higher age band because that is where they get truly tested. To do that you might need to sacrifice having the best player in your team. Results should be important, of course they are, but are they the be-all and end-all at international level? Performance under pressure, in the big games, is more the major aspect to develop these young boys.”

    Ryan has been able to tap into the mind of British football’s greatest manager during this period.


    I spoke to Alex Ferguson on the phone — he was brilliant,” Ryan says. “We spoke about me leaving the club, the reasons why, and I asked him for advice. One of the main things he spoke about at international level, rather than tactics and day-to-day coaching, was how we’ll be really able to affect the mentality of the players.

    “He’s been such an amazing guy to me personally — my dad worked with him. Leaving the club I wanted to make sure I spoke to as many people as possible who had really impacted my time there. Of course, he impacts everyone’s time at Man United.

    “He’d speak to you about the young ones coming up. I’ve got some amazing pictures of Marcus Rashford as a 12-year-old and the manager is talking to us all at the table, he’s leaning in. Schoolboys in for the day training. I snapped it — a timeless photo really.

    “Sir Alex has his eye on the ball with it all. Whenever I’d see him he was always saying, ‘Who is the next one coming through, Neil?’. He always made that effort to talk to us. He is such an engaging guy. I’ve been fortunate to sit at a game with him — the greatest manager ever — and he’s so humble, open, he listens to you. I was like a sponge soaking up everything he was saying.

    “He’s still so sharp and bright in his observations. I take how he worked around the building — it’s gold dust.”

    Ryan should still work with United players. Tyler Fredricson, Kobbie Mainoo, and Habeeb Ogunneye are on England’s radar at under-18 level. Importantly, Ryan will bring with him a wealth of knowledge about handling youngsters in the modern era.

    “When you see the journey of all these boys, it isn’t just a straight line — it is ups and downs, different challenges. They’re Generation Z, but really Generation Why, we call them. ‘Why are we playing that system? Why am I not playing there? Why is he in the first team? Why do we have to wear these shoes not trainers?’. Everything is questioned, which is fine, but you’ve gotta be on the ball with it. Generation Why, so you need to have the answers.

    “I think one of the best things you can have as a coach is common bonding. You go through a lot of experiences together — highs and lows — and if you get that over a number of years you see the pressures they are dealing with outside the game.

    “I never had that as a young player myself. I was a youth player at Luton Town. These players have agents, social media, in-house club media, national media, mates who are famous, parents, family, friends — the spotlight they are under all the time of being judged. Of course, coaches. You give them feedback on what they do well, what they’ve got to improve, they are constantly like, ‘Everything’s coming at me’. How do they handle that?

    “Can you imagine being the breadwinner for a family at the age of 16, or even younger? The house they live in is because of you, the cars they drive is because of you, their income is because of you — that is a huge thing. I don’t know how I would have coped with that at that age. That is going on all around the country, not just Man United. That is the skill of the coach to be mindful of it, wary, but also understand what that player is going through.

    “Now I am going to the international level — as an international player you’re getting all types of people influencing you. Whether it is a good or bad influence, how do you know until you get to that individual? That will be the important bit: getting to know all the players, what makes them tick — everyone is different. ”

    Ryan clearly cares passionately about youth development.

    “It’s important you get a good relationship with parents. I got a nice message off Charlie McNeill’s dad. I was quite tough with Charlie in his first year. He got a load of goals and he did really well. But I’m like, ‘You can do better, you can do more, you can train better, you’ve got to get yourself to Champions League level. It can’t be enough to think you’re gonna be the best in England — you’ve got to be best in the world’. Get that kind of mentality, which he is still working at.”

    Ryan has had numerous instances where players needed pushing and sometimes that led to tension.

    “The parents are the ones who realise it in the end,” Ryan says. “If you were tough with the boys it’s because they were getting too much fluff, too much nonsense. They need, ‘No, to be a player you need to do this, work harder in training, listen to the coaches, do the extra work, behave right, dress well, time-keeping, the standards, non-negotiables.’

    “That’s just your job — you do that with every player, but some could be challenging. Certain coaches might think, ‘I’ll leave that one’. I’m like, ‘No, if they want to be a top player they need it more than most’.

    “I knew from the top, Brian McClair or Nicky Butt (academy heads when Ryan coached younger age groups), they are backing you because they know you’re doing things for the good of the player.”


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    For the first time in nearly 20 years though, his primary focus is away from United. “My idea is to impact England 18s and these age groups to get success, breed winning habits, affect their mentalities. That is a really exciting proposition.”
     
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  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The Athletic say Sammy Braybrooke is known within the squad as Leicester’s Modric. That sounds exciting.
     
  6. Jimmy Skitz

    Jimmy Skitz Member+

    Leicester City
    England
    Nov 4, 2020
    plays deeper then that be interesting to see if he gets a loan this season
     
  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Zak Sturge has joined Chelsea after his contract at Brighton expired.
     
  8. Jimmy Skitz

    Jimmy Skitz Member+

    Leicester City
    England
    Nov 4, 2020
    Ben Nelson is on loan at Rochdale for the season, made his debut off the bench last weekend
     
  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Rico Lewis is on the bench for City today.
     
  10. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Anyone know how good he is? Presumably decent if Chelsea have taken him.
     
  11. kingeric07

    kingeric07 Member

    man united
    England
    May 31, 2018
    Not the best technically. Think Chelsea have massively overpaid on their signings because they’ve needed to strengthen both their u18 and u21 sides after such poor performances last season. They’re not the level the club aim for, simple as.
     
  12. rutters

    rutters Member

    Sep 17, 2018
    I haven't see him before, so can't comment on him, but left-back has been a problem position for Chelsea ever since Iling-Junior left. To be fair though, I do quite like the look of Dylan Williams and I think Hutchinson and Dibling are good signings. Also, I don't think the U18s were so bad, they were pretty close in the FAYC, but I get your point about needing to strengthen, especially for the UYL, and I think it's due to a mix of a lot of good players leaving and Brexit. They seem to be taking a flier on quite a few players and expanding their net into the lower leagues, and it's not a huge loss if it doesn't work out. Although Chelsea seem to be overpaying across the board, and I think it's more important that they actually show their youth players a pathway to prevent them from leaving.
     
  13. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
     
  14. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
  15. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    This is his current age group for England but I’m assuming they might promote him to U19’s a year early. We shall see.

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  16. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Playing against senior pros from League 2 and standing out. Looks like he'll be ready for a senior loan possibly this winter or next season definitely.
     
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  17. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Dan Gore in the same game as above

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  18. ATRS

    ATRS Member

    Arsenal
    Apr 26, 2021
    Pinatar Tournament:

    21.09.2022- England-Netherlands
    23.09.2022- England-Faroe Islands U19
    26.09.2022- England-Belgium
     
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  19. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
     
  20. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    I'm not sure about this guy. I can see that there are certain things that he's very good at, but it always looks very seat-of-the-pants to me. If we're going to talk about the need to take control of games, is he really going to help? And if not, what is his role in top-level senior football? We have better forwards, and we have some great ball-carriers from midfield. I guess it's fine if he's just more of the same.
     
  21. Slater582

    Slater582 Member

    Jul 21, 2008
    Shrewsbury, England
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Ndala playing a year up.
     
  22. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018


    True Grant is Lee Grant's son.
     
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  23. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Good to see Ndala back. Hasn't played for England in a while due to unfortunately timed injuries.
     
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  24. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    This lad is in the 18s with us but he looks like a very precarious dual national. He's qualified for Portugal and like Musiala, Musah, Carvalho and Sarmiento he came to the UK as an older child. I suppose it's a pretty big gamble to invest in him considering his profile. Do we have any players in the system that came here as older children that have remained committed when their birth nation came calling?
     
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  25. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Sousa seems to at least be part Brazilian which might make things a bit different, certainly compared to Carvalho who clearly had no intention of playing for England competitively. Though I don't really understand why they wouldn't throw their lot in with the team they prefer to play for from the start (when both are interested), like Leo Cardoso has done.

    I don't think Musah left due to birthplace either, I think that was just opportunity. He was born in the USA when his parents holidayed there, he has no further connection. What they did offer was immediate senior football. Same case with Sarmiento who upgraded from the periphery of youth team squads to senior international (though his family are at least Ecuadoran).
     

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