German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    US will forgive Vlatko if he looses an close one, not sure if it’s an lopsided , ala 0-4 or worse, his job could well be in jeopardy. His team’s a bit of an mess right now with Dunn & Ertz pregnant and then he built his entire offense on Macario’s mobility as an false #9. But with Macario’s recent ACL he’s had to go back to straight up striker Alex Morgan(who’ll have none of that roving #9). And then plan B was building an team around seven regulars from last year’s NWSL champs, the Spirit, problem is that’s club is near last place currently in this season’s standings! Plus add that England would surely buy off the refs once again, don’t see it going well for the US
     
  2. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Kossler probably going to sub in for HOF as I was very impressed by Hickleberger

    Wolter as CB? At WOB, she’ll have to compete for playing time with Jansen Hendrich Hegering Argrez. But then same thing at her previous winger spot on an MONSTER roster where I fear several careers will get hurt. Especially with an coach(at least last season) didn’t like to rotate, preferring an regular 11-14 starting lineup even against the likes of Jena

    Marozsan on your 2nd squad? She only managed 114 minutes all of last season at Lyon in regular league play. 14 minutes & zero minutes as an sub in the two quarter final Champions League matches
     
  3. Batfink

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    Only if France found the same luck of evading Covid/injury, and attained the favors associated with hosting a major tournament...;)
     
  4. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Kössler produced 10 goals, 8 assists, for a 4th place Potsdam last season....:whistling:Put this into better context, this was significantly more productive than Wolfsburg's title winning front line of Roord, Waßmuth, Huth; Oh.. and this with Bühl even further behind too.

    So it seems your liking of Hickleberger, may have you SERIOUSLY underestimating how good this level of production is, or how strong Kössler could be next season...;)
     
  5. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Once featuring for Werder Bremen as the best young German CB in the league, Wolter would win a U-20 WC with a series of strong CB performances, earning a place in the tournaments best 11.

    And it's why I thought it best she'd finally leave Wolfsburg for a Bayern side in need of CB's this season. As she initially joined Wolfsburg as a back up CB for a then still world class Fischer, but never found the opportunity to play.

    Still only 24, I feel like the club has simply forgotten the potential they brought to the club with Wolter. But given the right opportunity, she could easily be considered a national team level player again...:coffee:
     
  6. Batfink

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    #1781 Batfink, Aug 7, 2022
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    Blomqvist, SJJ, Brand, can all play on both wings. Huth can play #10, FW, and right wing. Waßmuth FW/RW. Bremer FW/LW/RW/FB. Roord CAM/CM/FW. Pajor FW/RW/LW. Popp take your pick. Can't you see how adaptable these players are...?

    In a land where steel sharpens steel, and the best rise to the top, career's should not be getting hurt here. As you can't improve enough to play with these players (Smits..:whistling:) you really didn't belong at a team like Wolfsburg (Smits...:whistling:)
     
  7. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    If Magull is the current #1 CAM, and MVT selects Dallmann as her #2, while Freigang, and Hagel, both miles ahead of Dallmann in the production levels associated with elite CAM's. I can only imagine Marozsan coming back to this team as a direct replacement for Dallmann...:coffee:

    I personally believe Freigang's league form deserves the opportunity to play ahead of Dallmann for the wnt, with Hagel probably only another strong season away from being an even bigger candidate for Dallmann's #2 role.

    But you need to remember Marozsan was a regular within MVT's teams prior to the Euro's, meaning she'll likely come back to this side as one of MVT favorites. And having seen what Hegering, and Popp, with limited playing time this season were able to offer, I feel it's still dangerous to write off the potential of Marozsan...:cautious:
     
  8. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    @hotjam2 If I was selecting a team for the WC, I wouldn't even have Däbritz any higher than Team #3 lol. With my personal belief the squad stronger dropping Dallmann, and Freigang, to guarantee Nüsken her place if Marozsan also joining the WC team...:cautious:

    Lohmann, Lattwein, both very capable of playing very effectively as CAM/CM, I'd honestly drop Freigang from the WC 23, knowing Schüller/Popp/Waßmuth/Cerci, all capable FW options.

    Hagel isn't getting selected, remove Freigang, and Dallmann, then upgrade the squad with the inclusion of Nüsken, Marozsan.
     
  9. Weltmann

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    Sep 9, 2012
    Not saying the Wembley curse is real, but...:whistling:
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  10. hotjam2

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  11. Batfink

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    I never said Corely the "star of the team"... I stated in the absence of others, she was now the obvious best player in the final 23.

    And proving me correct, not starting her today would see one of the weakest U20 sides I've ever witnessed, produce one of the most underwhelming performances I've seen from a German wnt.

    Not only did they deserve an opening match defeat...:thumbsdown:, but the the football on show from both sides so low throughout the 90 mins, I found my self wondering if this German side should have even been sent to this tournament as one of Europe's representatives...o_O
     
  12. Batfink

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    #1787 Batfink, Aug 10, 2022
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    Peter was really poor with her team selection with the U-19's, but had the excuse many of her options also mixed within the U-20 WC happening in the same year. But wow... seeing her first 11 for this match, and her highly dubious use of subs, definitely left me asking even more questions about her now...:unsure:

    Sterner the worst player on the field, she'd look like a U-17 player in a defense that besides Steck simply made no sense in it's composition. Weidauer would accomplish absolutely nothing too, in a mid-field held together on the solo efforts of Gräwe.

    But wow... I saw the attack, and couldn't believe how truly mediocre it was. Vobain - Keles - Zicai (who.. what..o_O) the most mediocre attacking trio Peter could have selected; their truly ineffectual play only eclipsed by the truly mindless efforts of an even worse Wamser being deployed on the wing...:confused:
     
  13. Batfink

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    #1788 Batfink, Aug 10, 2022
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    I'm going to be more critical on Wamser, and say it's no surprise Essen would give up on trying to deploy her in a wide role before her surprise departure to Frankfurt. Still lacking the football intelligence to be a competent winger (for any good team), once again she was awful in a game I feel her skills blatantly more suited to being a lone FW...:cautious:

    Wind her up, and just let her run. Wamser seems to function on pure instinct more in line with a traditional FW, making her move to Frankfurt even more strange, knowing Endemann the FAR superior young attacking option at Essen...:confused:
     
  14. hotjam2

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    here's highlights; definitly feels like Colombiadeserved the win


    so going only going with highlights; semed like coach Peter tried to keep the team too technical, or at least kept wanting to play the ball from the back even though got several successful steal against the back line & dangerous chances to score. More technical stuff at this age would at least require the squad to spend more time together than an an few weeks.

    I'm not much into youth tourney's as 3rd world country's will often spend more time, effort & money on them compared to their senior NT's. Or, at least keep their squads more centralized/together since they might not have any pro league in their own countries
    Germany has some disadvantages too in that they had 3 different youth squads(u17, 19, 20) this summer as compared to others that might of switched some of their better younger performing ones into an older squad. On the other hand most of the current squad come with Bundesliga first division experience. So definitely an major upset, and amazing how much more physical the Colombians looked in this match.
     
  15. Batfink

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    So... exactly like I said then lol. In a game of a very low quality, Germany were truly terrible, and 100% deserved to lose. Why do you think I said they don't look like they should have been one of Europe's 3 representatives...:confused:
     
  16. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Why do you only revert to this same narrative with Germany...? With your latest rendition of this, not even remotely close to identifying the true issue with Peter's teams/tactics; some of these issues now on display twice in a very short span of time...:cautious:

    The CB's actually Germany's BEST forward passers over the 90 mins. If you'd seen this match, you'd know just how bad the FB's, CM's, and FW's were, as they failed to contribute anything positive in a performance awful ball control, slow decision making, allowed this to create one of the worst U-20 German wnt's I've ever seen...:speechless:

    And I only say this, having seen a lot of impressive teams/players at this age group (including Germany) be fully capable of producing high quality sequences of passing from the back. Making it seem ridiculous to have anyone claim U-20 teams shouldn't attempt to do this, for fear of their players being technically deficient.
     
  17. Batfink

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    I don't understand what your trying to say here...? Are you saying it's far easier for junior age groups from weaker wnt programs to compete..? If so... then yeah lol.

    Go look at the top 4 lists of male FIFA U-17/20 teams since the tournaments inception lol... it's genuine chaos compared to the consistency of senior level events; and not because they invest more money t younger age groups either...;)
     
  18. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    U-17's wouldn't have any crossover with the other age groups. But I will say this cycle of 2019's U17 Euro winners appearing particularly bad right now, seems to be a direct effect of them missing two years development time, where qualification for this event based on 2019's Euro results, and so many tournaments happening in the same year.

    Put it into better context, Germany's 2019 u17 Euro winning side is only missing 5 starters from that team.
    ------------------ Weidauer --------------------
    Wamser -------- Corely -------- Woldmann
    ------------- Rohde ---- Gräwe -----------------
    Brand --- von Achten -- Schiemann --- Steck
    --------------------- Nelles ------------------------
    But Peter has randomly decided to bring worse/less experienced players into this group for a WC. Even elevating 2 recent U-19 players, and then starting them ahead of more prominent U-20 options too....o_O
     
  19. Batfink

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    Steck (CB), and Nelles (GK), the teams best players... and Steck only joined Frankfurt's 1st team squad this month...:speechless: Again, Peter would leave out a few defensive options I feel superior to the players who would start this match; and this for a side already missing Küver too.

    But from Gräwe forward, this team was absolutely the definition of mediocre, with Potsdam regular Weidauer, and Essen misfit Wamser, completely useless within the roles they'd be given. It's hard to claim this group of players filled with impressive Bundesliga experience, when that experience either with the seniors only a few weeks ago, or allowed to miss the event for reasons not exactly clear...:cautious:

    I mean Vobian, Keles, Zicai, playing ahead of Corley, Sternad, or Diehm...? Even if it's hard for Peter to analysis all these players, I find it odd watching the U-19's at a non factor Euro's somehow featuring better players than the U-20's playing at a WC...:confused:
     
  20. hotjam2

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    and just like that my point was proven yesterday(after your post) when Nigeria beat France. Nigeria always been strong at u20(usually making it to the quarter finals or higher) yet flopped at the senior level—their coach mentioned last year that the government don’t ever give them the money to get their team together for regular practices(didn’t get together on over an year)

    as is Euro sucked in their first round games 3 losses/1 draw(but keep on giving your Euro analysis in what works at u20, lol

    notable missing for me is Buchele—the athletic mid from Freiburg. Frolich did also play on the u19 squad(so apparently crossovers were allowed)

    again, from highlights looked like Germany got outmuscled
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    finally got see the US game in tv, was looking fwd to watching fast, exciting “kick & chase”(you know, the type that won 4 WC’s & Olympics for us). Boy, was I disappointed, it was more—deliberate, build up play instead. And our two best in this age group, Rodman & Missimo, didn’t card to be part of the team, so led instead by that slow poke-ish CAM, 16 year old Moultrie, 17 year olds Shaw & Thompson. So don’t think we’re going to go very far either. But at least our youthful squad was physical enough to handle an very dirty playing Ghana squad
     
  21. Batfink

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    But your point doesn't make any sense...:unsure:, as we all... I mean EVERYONE paying attention to trends in football, will already know this fact of the youth game.

    You didn't make a new discovery here, or suggest something profound. You simply reiterated something blatantly obvious to many people, and thought it somehow made you insightful lol...:rolleyes:
     
  22. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Since 2010, there has been a UEFA representative in a women's FIFA U-20 final. With the last tournament in 2018, featuring a top 4 of France, Spain, England, with Japan (a strong technical/tactical team) a finalist too.

    Seriously... what are you talking about lol. Even if you leave out the role of Covid in this tournaments current trends, you should be able to acknowledge the significant role UEFA's played at this age group...:speechless:
     
  23. Batfink

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    LOL... Büchele looked horrible at the recent U-19's Euro failure. And this as one of the teams least physically competent players too...:giggle:

    Again.. instead of using highly curated highlights to make assertions, you should really be watching the FULL matches if you can. As beyond actually being in the stadium, anybody not witnessing a full match, only guarantees a lack of detail concerning the small interactions that provide far better judgements of players strengths/weakness.

    Germany's u-20's, would produce 25 fouls Vs 4 from Colombia....:speechless:. 63% possession, where their 14 attempts only reach the target twice. My guy... you clearly didn't see this game, if your understanding from this Germany somehow significantly physically weaker than their opponents lol.

    Sterner, Vobian, Keles, the weakest technically/physically of the German players; this was simply a horrible team performance, with an attack filled with incredibly mediocre players, lead by a coach unable to construct cohesive system.
     
    blissett repped this.
  24. Batfink

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    I will say this though... if a lot of these players here are set to fail part of this team, I genuinely believe Steck is going to be another legit CB prospect for Frankfurt...:coffee: While Wamser, only further confirms to me, that she's 100% NOT a winger; but instead a future striker...:sneaky:

    Wamser lacking any of the basic intelligence you'd want to see in a skillful winger, it's very clear to me watching her play, her movements completely focused on the super direct moment to moment gameplay, typically associated with quick/dynamic FW's.

    Initially believing Frankfurt recruited Wamser to be a wide player, I'm now thinking it's in fact going to see her adapted to being a FW within their diamond system. And honestly, it might be where this U-20's side gets the best from her too, if they want to escape the group stage.
     
  25. Batfink

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    Yeah... OK. All that success, and yet it's Marta dancing through the USwnt team, that would regularly appeal to a much larger global male demographic, than anything else we'd see in women's football...:whistling:

    I mean, wider Germany would watch their wnt at a Euro, with interest touching the TV numbers witnessed during the WWC on German soil. And I feel this is all because they liked/enjoyed the way MVT's team played, feeling this team genuinely representing German football correctly.

    Germany's wnt in England so popular, it was even able to attract live crowds to set records outside of the home nations matches. Speaking to the general level of appeal this German wnt's style of football would carry, doing more than bunkering, or kick chase.
     

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