The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Confirmed now. Sheffield United will be a good side to follow this season with James McAtee, Tommy Doyle, Daniel Jebbison and Rhian Brewster (although I’ve given up on him) in the squad.
     
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3327 Fireburn47, Aug 4, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2022
    If Wolves do end up selling Coady and Gibbs - White (Other clubs have put in offers for both.) they will be extremely low on English players. Kilman and Gibbs - White the only two expected to start this weekend.
     
  3. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I posted this in the England u19 thread by accident :ROFLMAO:

    A list of England youngsters 20 and under to track the progress of this season

    1st tier


    Carney Chukuwemeka (18) - Chelsea - Premier League
    Levi Colwill (19) - Brighton & Hove Albion - Premier League
    Harvey Elliot (19) - Liverpool - Premier League
    Josh Wilson-Esbrand (19) - Manchester City - Premier League
    Cole Palmer (20) - Manchester City - Premier League
    Alex Migten (20) - Nottingham Forest - Premier League
    Joe Gelhardt (20) - Leeds United - Premier League
    Sam Greenwood (20) Leeds United - Premier League
    Tino Livramento (19) - Southampton - Premier League
    Jamie Bynoe-Gittens (18) - Borussia Dortmund - Bundesliga
    Jude Bellingham (19) - Borussia Dortmund - Bundesliga
    Jarrad Branthwaite (20) - PSV - Eredivisie
    Charlie Setford (18) - Ajax - Eredivisie
    Noni Madueke (20) - PSV - Erediviisie

    2nd tier

    Alex Scott (18) - Bristol City - Championship
    Daniel Jebbison (19) - Sheffield United - Championship
    James McAtee (19) - Sheffield United - Championship
    Tommy Doyle (20) - Sheffield United - Championship
    Callum Doyle (18) - Coventry City - Championship
    Aaron Ramsey (19) - Norwich City - Championship
    CJ Egen-Riley (19) - Burnley - Championship
    Taylor Harwood-Bellis (20) - Burnley - Championship
    Charlie Patino (18) - Blackpool - Championship
    Dennis Cirkin (20) - Sunderland - Championship
    Tino Anjorin (19) - Huddersfield Town - Championship
    Jadan Philogene-Bidace (20) - Cardiff City - Championship
    Charlie Creswell (19) - Millwall - Championship

    3rd Tier

    Dane Scarlett (18) - Portsmouth - League One
    Daniel Oyegoke (19) - MK Dons - League One
    Louie Barry (19) - MK Dons - League One
    Henry Lawrence (19) - MK Dons - League One
    James Trafford (19) - Bolton Wanderers - League One

    No doubt I've missed some, let me know and I'll update. The teams to keep a close eye on would be Sheffield United and MK Dons.

    First positive report is from last week is Charlie Creswell for Millwall, scored both the goals in their 2-0 win over Stoke (he's a centre back!) and got man of the match.
     
  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Fulham are quite a low squad for English starters - just two today.
     
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  5. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    They've been the same for a good few years now. I didn't expect them to be any different this season.
    At least we have forest and Bournemouth with large English contingent who have also just been promoted.
     
  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    True. Should be about 5-7 for both of them.
     
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  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yep and what’s worse, there’s only one on the bench! At least Liverpool have a good healthy contingent from the bench that could come on with the five subs rule.
     
  8. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Easily. If not more.
     
  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Would normally be slightly more but Chalobah and Bryan are injured. There also have three duals involved today (One playing and two on the bench.)
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Line ups just out and it’s 7 at Forest and 5 at Bournemouth.

    Only two at several teams through.
     
  11. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    This could be a horrible opening weekend on the English player watch!
     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3337 Fireburn47, Aug 6, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2022
    I suspect it will be a very low season in general. But five subs might mean English minutes don’t drop by quite as much. Unlike the start of last season we don’t have a draining tournament causing some players to not get a starting position due to fatigue so it’s pure lack of English talent at many clubs.
     
  13. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Sunderland have made a good start to their campaign. Cirkin started for them again, he appears to be playing as a left sided centre back in a back 5, at least according to whoscored. Could be interesting as England only have Mings and Colwill that are naturally left sided centre backs. Ellis Simms also scored 2 for them on his debut. He looks like a right clogger of a player though. It will be interesting to see what he can do at this level.

    Thyrys Dolan is a player I missed from the list. He came on for Blackburn today and got an assist.
     
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  14. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Is Norton cuffy out on loan again? He did really well as a marauding right back by all accounts
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Not yet. Could still move I suppose before the window closes.

    It’s possible future weeks could be even lower in terms of English starters. Forest and Bournemouth are both after more players from abroad who for the cost and experiences would likely get many starts.
     
  16. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Lewis Bate's at Oxford in League One. Apparently there was Championship interest but he wanted to play for Karl Robinson. Hard to say if that's a good or bad decision without knowing which other teams were in for him.
     
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  17. rutters

    rutters Member

    Sep 17, 2018
    I think on the face of it, it's a pretty good move. I think the level and team style suits him and he should be able to play regular minutes hopefully. Just had a look at their squad and seen he'll be linking up with former youth internationals Marcus McGuane and Cameron Brannagan.
     
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  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I wonder how matches this season Wolves will have no English players starting. With only Kilman and Gibbs - White there are bound to be a few.
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    English eligible players starting in the Premier League, total per matchday: Season 2022/2023

    Matchday 1 - 75/220 = 34.1%
     
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  20. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Not as bad as I originally thought to be honest. If you had asked me yesterday then I would have thought around 30%.
     
  21. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Thank you for doing this again. I don't often comment on it but it's interesting to track.
     
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  22. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Think I agree. My first reaction was mild disappointment that he's dropping down so far when I rate him quite highly, but I think any loan right now is mostly about letting him play his game so that he can figure out how to deal with much more physical players. If he doesn't find a way, he'll get bullied out of the Premier League before long.
     
  23. rutters

    rutters Member

    Sep 17, 2018
    I'm just thinking this can't have been the vision he was sold at Leeds, because if he extended with Chelsea, he could have got this move a year ago. I guess it would have been something along the lines of Bielsa trains with a big group of the first-team and U23s and if you impress, you'll get your chance.
     
  24. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Cheers. I think I'll update the list after the window closes as there hopfully will be a few like Delap getting loans.

    Cameron Archer was one I missed too. He came off the bench for Villa at the weekend so may be getting some PL experience this season. Also Tim Ireogbunam will hopefully be playing regular football somewhere.
     
  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I expected Delap’s season to have been resolved by now. It’s been weeks since the press reported various teams wanted him on loan. For some reason it still hasn’t been resolved.
     

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