MLS Flavors of the Week: 2022 edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly I don't like debating over either. Acosta is a lock because of Berhalter. Roldan would be if not for Acosta.

    Neither are what we need to get better. They're place holders.
     
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  2. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    Delgado’s time is probably past, unfortunately, but if he doesn’t want it to be he should leave MLS and go somewhere else. I think he could be very successful in Europe with his skill set and if you can’t break into the NT as a really good MLS player you have to go where you can’t be ignored.
     
  3. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marco is probably not getting his chance with Gregg. He is the kind of guy, IMO, who should have been in B Gold Cups and even in WCQ would have been able to provide some help but alas.
     
  4. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Wasn’t trying to imply you said he never had a bad game. Sorry if it came out that way. Was just commenting on what I think is an obvious fact. I do think, however one bad game is often treated differently for different players…for many different reasons
     
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  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Based on his play since over a month before he had left Dallas, Pepi isn't even in the top-3. He had 1 big and very crucial WCQing window for us. But his performances have dropped off a precipice. Maybe he picks it up. Is he even the best US eligible striker on his team?
     
  6. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    It's not a big deal, really.

     
  7. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    What would that post from you be today?
     
  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I watched more play, back then. :)
     
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  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Good play?

    I like Roldan. And the team tactics seem to be evolving in such a way that better utilizes his skillset. But Vazquez has the clearer path to minutes. What can Roldan do to move beyond being a vibes guy?
     
  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm poking fun of the fact that everyone in MLS who puts in a few good months is more exciting than old Cristian, who's a key player on the team that wins stuff. As for the vibes thing, I don't think there's anything he can do realistically to get more pt. When dominating CCL didn't get him a kick in WCQ I gave up on Gregg using him.
     
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  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #2787 Clint Eastwood, Aug 5, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2022
    I get it.
    All I'm saying is that UNTIL some other guy really excels with the USMNT and takes his place, Pepi's in one of the three spots. Gregg gave Wright a chance to win a spot at the last camp, and apparently that didn't work out. The same think could happen to Vasquez. Let's not predetermine success.

    I actually think Ferreira is in the best position, and the other two slots are fairly open.

    Vasquez has earned an opportunity in September to win on of those slots.
    Is it possible that Pefok, Dike, or somebody else takes Pepi's spot away from him?
    Sure is. But for the moment I have Pepi penciled in (with Jesus and Pefok).

    We'll have to see who is being given a shot based on September callups.
    Cuz if Gregg wants to really vet Vasquez, it'll be difficult to also give a player like Dike time to make an impact.

    ...........................if the purpose of the camp is to "gel" the team going to the WC anyway.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the camp is Ferreira, Pepi, and Vasquez.

    Berhalter isn't the type to take like 6 #9s to camp and have a free-for-all competition. That hasn't been his style.
     
  13. SoccerFanInIA

    SoccerFanInIA Member

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Oct 28, 2021
    He might work with a lineup that includes Pulisic or Reyna or both because both like to have the ball at their feet to create rather than run behind like it seems Vazquez prefers.
     
  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2789 xbhaskarx, Aug 5, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2022
    LOL they used Transfermarkt




    If the idiotic valuation of some creepy German dude up in Vancouver is what keeps Brandon Vazquez from joining Chivas where he would have declined future USMNT callups having not yet been capped because Berhalter was too stupid to call him up for the four games in June...
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    For better or worse, Transfermarkt is ubiquitous these days. I have no doubt their values are anchoring plenty of actual offers and negotiations in the real world.
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was an article in the New York Times awhile back where it talked about how clubs do often use it as a starting point for discussions.

    It’s of course an imperfect measure, but they do try and make a good faith effort at it.

    In the case of Vazquez I believe they haven’t updated the MLS valuations in a bit so it’s not surprising his would be lower than it is in reality. Of course Chivas should be smart enough to know that.
     
  18. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Never was going to happen. Chivas is a crappy, badly run and cash strapped club.
     
  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Vazquez video is out

     
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  20. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's also used by 538 for their club rankings. So we have a nice clear example about a key weakness in that index.
     
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  21. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Transfermarkt is slow to update their valuation when a player breaks out like Vazquez has. The system has utility, but should be used w/ context, like newness of the player, and yrs remaining on existing contract; applied. Common sense says a 23 yr old CF who is near leading a decent league in scoring has up his valuation into the millions at least in today's market.

    Transfermarkt uses some insider info, and then subjective evaluation. It's an inexact science, and hard for people to manage all those names. Is there an AI that does it, proportionate on league ranking, production, metrics, etc.? That would be useful as another tool. The more tools you have at your disposal, the more accurate the info, and better of a decision you can make.
     
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  22. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I'd disagree with him not been quick in small spaces, his feet are very quick, unusually quick for a big guy, and that's where his scoring ability comes from as well: keepers are consistently late to react.
     
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  23. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Interesting idea. You feed that AI engine all the games ever played, then for every particular player you are getting optimal position, and ceiling.
     
  24. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    Thankfully the bulk of the data in 538 is what happens on the field. They do market adjustments with TM data (which I personally hate) but that has diminishing impact for each game week after the start of the season.

    The bigger underlying issue is their xG model which is a bit opaque, totally in house, and wildly divergent from a lot of other models.
     
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  25. SoccerFanInIA

    SoccerFanInIA Member

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Oct 28, 2021
    Question, is Julian Gressel eligible to be selected to a competitive international game for the US yet? Second question, should he be talked about? I understand he just got traded, but in my own assessment he’s a good crosser of the ball from the wingback position.
     

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