Yanks Abroad Flavors of the Week: 2022-2023 Thread

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  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think so.
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hear this a lot but I never hear any examples of why. Guy has had an extremely long pro career for what everyone seems to feel is a fool/tool. Are there any actual examples?
     
  3. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
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  4. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really hope Hoppe to borough happens thats a good move for minutes
     
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  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    It seems something mentally changed in Altidore after Giovinco had left.
     
  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pefok pressing?

    1552697590076116993 is not a valid tweet id
     
  7. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like to see that
     
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  8. LuckofLichaj2

    LuckofLichaj2 Member

    Oct 14, 2021
    People don’t like his politics, which at one time he was outspoken about.
     
  9. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Pefok worked his tail off defensively against Mexico in the road qualifier. But all that everyone remembers is his missing that golden goal opportunity.

    I would like him on the 26-man roster as a late game sub.
     
  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Word was he was outspoken but again that was all I ever heard and there weren't all these examples given. I'll guess and he was outspoken a few times which offended someone who made it a big deal picked up by others. I mean if the players are cool with McKennie for sort of unwittingly sabotaging a window it seems tame to me. Politics, religions, movies, foods, etc have never made me unfriend someone. Sometimes disagreements make for better conversations.
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most people are more understanding when a player has their girlfriend over to their hotel room than when they support QAnon, who could have imagined such a thing...
     
  12. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Cameron's not on the team now because he's old and not very good.

    Cameron wasn't playing at the end of the cycle in 2017 because he had a crap game against Costa Rica, then blamed everyone but himself publicly and called out the guy who controlled his PT ... Arena.

    After that, he was publicly supportive of Trump halting immigration from 7 Muslim countries and was also vocally anti-mask and early on a covid is the flu kind of dude, amongst other things. Apparently, he was at least once good friends with Bedoya who is pretty lefty, FWIW, but he seemed to go down a bunch of farther right rabbit holes.

    But I don't think his politics had anything to do with playing time with the USMNT. By the time he was doing that kind of thing, his time was over. And his 2018 cycle PT had more to do with him and Arena than anything.

    EDIT: Looking at google, the other things include a bunch of stop the steal stuff, so yeah...
     
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  13. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Good for you, unfortunately doesn't mean that some people didn't start hating you.
     
  14. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the haters are small minded and not worth concerning yourself with. Let them hate.
     
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  15. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Where to begin. Public statements: Anti-science/anti-mask, playing in MLS is “wasting your career,” dumped all over Bruce Arena, supported anti-Muslim travel ban. The list goes on.

    Stupidity and bigotry is always worth calling out, even when one side tried to call it “politics.”
     
  16. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    That was my experience. I wanted to play football really badly in high school (if you ever saw me play, you'll know I achieved that goal). So, I worked out like crazy in the weight room. It got me nowhere. When I was a soph in H.S. I weighed 135 and gave it up for cross country. It wasn't until I was in my early 20's that I was able to add much muscle.
     
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  17. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Who are you talking about? (I've got an idea, but I don't want to label the guy, if I have the wrong guy)
     
  18. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Fwiw, the guys on a Leeds pcast (The Roaring Peacock) were talking up Aaronson and Adams, individually. By "individually" they weren't grouping them as Yanks. They talked about Aaronson ("reminds me of Lee Bowyer") and later they mentioned Adams ("doesn't do anything great, but does everything right"). So, based on that teeeeeny sample size, at least they're off to a good start with the fans.
     
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  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My sense is that Cameron never had an issue with any of his teammates over any of his political views. Independent of that there were lots of reports after the failure to qualify about him having attitude issues and not being a good locker room presence. And Arena definitely alluded to that too after Cameron made comments about his views on Arena. Of course there were just chemistry issues overall with that team, not just with him.
     
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  20. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Yeah, I don't think the politics had much of anything to do with it, I recall reading that he was a recalcitrant ----- when he was on the bench, a classic example of a guy you could start, but not sit by '17 w/o him being a cancer in the locker room. Multiple sources mentioned this.

    I'll grant that they also mentioned him being a complete --- about politics to those of us that are the left or centrists, but I think that would have been a bigger problem w/this group, than the older, more done it all, seen it all '16-'17 group.

    It's also worth noting that the NFL got along just fine the last half decade despite teams being totally riven by locker rooms where a massive racial-political divide was ever present.

    I think it had far more to do with Cameron being perceived as a world class ----- down the stretch than it had to do with his gutter politics (though to be fair, it might be mildly relevant, especially with the younger players).
     
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  21. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    The latter point is really relevant, and I'm going out on a mild limb saying it, but I think locker room chemistry started going steadily down hill with Bradley, the quality of the team in '09-'10, kept him going well enough, but over time, I think divisions began to open with Bradley (based on things I've heard Conrad, and Pearce say on their podcast, as well as the soccer soup podcast discussing some of the asinine issues w/the olympic team in '08), got worse with Klinsmann, and broke apart in '16-'17. It wasn't dire on the level of other teams like France a decade ago, where you had a team imploding and firing its coach in '10 and one of their best players black mailing a teammate etc, but there's a lot of relevant detail that suggests things just started to go sour.

    Bradley was a much better coach that I gave him credit for at the time, but I've also seen enough over the years to fundamentally believe that him during his period, and later his son's, temperament and personality were not of the unifying sort, and Bradley's ability to silence a room could be good in good times, but I think could be a real problem in bad times, left no room for other voices etc.

    I'm kind of stunned because I never would have argued this take early on, the sense I got was that he was a pain in the --- as a teammate, but it really does seem like Berhalter has done a similar strong job as Arena back in '98-'99 in rebuilding what was a broken locker room, and broken team. Of course, it helps when you get to eject 95% of the pool when you take over so there was/is that.
     
  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jozy official



    Bruce Arena sure loves his over the hill vets, Altidore, Omar Gonzalez... oh well at least this time it can't cost us a World Cup.
     
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  23. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Cameron
     
  24. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Also keep in mind, while a majority of Leeds fans were excited by Aaronson, they were not overly keen on Adams so he had much more of an uphill battle with the fanbase.
     
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