Rank the USMNT center backs

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  1. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe that is the primary source of frustration between the two (high line). Wolfsburg typically would not play a high line and even then I was surprised to see Brooks at times as the LCB in a 3 man back line drop behind the other two CB’s in final third. It looked to me like the instincts of a slower CB who is worried about getting beat. Doesn’t mean Brooks isn’t a good CB but just that he isn’t built for all styles of play.
     
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  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Meanwhile Nashville and NYRB don't play a high line
    Meanwhile Richards is moving to Crystal "6%" Palace

    [​IMG]
     
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  3. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he needs to demonstrate he is willing and able of playing a high line instead of rolling his eyes on the sideline and getting in arguments with his outside backs. Fair or not, GB has apparently seen enough of Brooks with USMNT that he will have to demonstrate playing high line with his club.
     
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  4. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he needs to demonstrate he is willing and able of playing a high line instead of rolling his eyes on the sideline and getting in arguments with his outside backs. Fair or not, GB has apparently seen enough of Brooks with USMNT that he will have to demonstrate playing high line with his club. In the end, it comes down to trust. As a coach, if I send a player out there to play with certain tactics, can I trust him to do so in the framework or will they default to doing their own thing. I guess we know where GB stands with this.
     
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  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This pretty much sums up my current CB feelings

     
  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People are getting excited about Chris Richards in the Premier League...



     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  8. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I tend to think it is likely too late for Qatar, but Otasowie finally getting time at center back is an interesting development. He's always had a load of talent and for a center back has a great combination of physicality and ability on the ball. I think there is a decent chance that he is one of our four best center backs by the time Qatar rolls around, just don't know if that will translate into a roster spot with his never being with the team before, the lost year he just had and the short time until Qatar with only one window left. Basically taking last year off and refusing to play in the back instead of midfield has really put a damper on his prospects for 2022. It's pretty amazing really that he is immediately thrown right back into the fray for a competitive game for a pretty solid team.
     
  9. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think he's a great look for 2026.

    CB has a lot of nuances, though; I am interested to see how much playing time he gets out of pre-season. There's a lot of footwork and a lot of tactical recognition and decision making to learn, and I don't know how much experience he has with that.
     
  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    yes, but was he ever MLS defender of the year?
     
  12. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Thanks. This is what I was concerned about with this move from a Nats perspective. Richards will get some games, but barring injury he is unlikely to be a first option given the starters ahead of him are the strength of the team. If one was hoping to displace Long on the backline as a starter, this move probably doesn't help with that. But we will see!
     
  13. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Yeah, it’s definitely tough having so many guys who are close to being able to help in areas of need, but not quite ready. For example, it’s easy to see him, Scally, and Paredes being part of our best 18 by the end of this year, but none of them getting any minutes in Qatar.

    I’m still a bit skeptical of OO, but I will be paying close attention starting this weekend. Zimmerman is the only healthy center back I really trust right now, but I do think Richards will do well if he’s healthy. After that, I think there’s a clear step down to long, and another step down to the rest of the pool. Robinson was arguably our most difficult field player to produce, given the current state of the pool.
     
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  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    I took it more as he has zero chance at all.

    why would his club have to play a certain style lol

    can you imagine him dropping adams because leeds doesn't play him enough as a single pivot lol.

    how about dropping jedi and dest because their clubs played five at the back not four like he does lol.

    he is moving the goal posts
     
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  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Charade 2 starring Gregg Berhalter and John Brooks
    [​IMG]
     
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  17. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I don't understand this conspiray stuff with Brooks. The defense plays a high line. All of the other CBs Greg has consistently used can, and have shown, they can play a high line. If Brooks wants to get back into the 23 he needs to show he can play effectively in a high line. He hasn't shown that ability.
    You guys are caught up in Berhalter saying, "He needs to go to a club where they play a high line." When what he really means is "You need to show me you can play a high line." Of course, the only way for Brooks to show Greg he can do it is to play for a club that plays that way.
    All of the other players: Adams, McKinney, Musah, Pulisic, Jedi, Dest, etc. have already shown Greg they can play the style he wants. So there is no need for their club to play that way.
    I do not understand why this is so confusing. Well, I really do. But whatever.
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know others have said the same as I am about to but it bears repeating: Brooks has not played well in a high line for Berhalter. He's had several high-profile failures that have cost the team. The other CBs that have gotten lots of minutes haven't showed the same propensity for high-line failures. Therefore, it doesn't matter what club system Zimmerman, Miles Robinson (yes, I know he's injured), Chris Richards, etc. play in--they've shown they can play up to the standards required of Berhalter's system. So, it can then be understood that if Brooks wants a shot at getting called again then HE needs to be playing in a high line system at club and show that he's adapted to the positional requirements that he has failed at prior for the NT under Berhalter.
     
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  20. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is exactly correct. Brooks has shown that he is unable to play a high line. He won't be going to Qatar unless he makes drastic changes to his game.
     
  21. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    lol this is too funny

    the irony of all this is the us will not be playing with a high line in the world cup.
     
  22. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    If you can see into the future then why are you wasting time on here when the Powerball is up to $800 million?
    You want Brooks called in. I'd like him called in too. The difference is I defer to the coach since it's his team and he knows way more about the players, his style of play, how he wants the team to play, and soccer in general then I do. I think he could be an adequate #4 but I can understand why Berhalter thinks other players can play better. You don't.
     
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  23. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you open to a small wager?

    Seriously, what are you smoking? We have been playing a high line for quite awhile now. Do you think its all been a smoke screen to confuse our opponents and come November we are all of a sudden going to do something else?

    LOL
     
  24. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you look at WCQ, we played with a high line a lot, but certainly not in every moment. I don't know exactly what game plans Gregg has in mind, but if it's anything like WCQ, then yes, we will play a high line with a back 4. This is very different than how JB is used to playing with his club.

    Previously I was calling for Brooks to get more callups, but if you look at the Honduras and Canada games, he made 2 huge gaffes, and he just didn't seem comfortable in a back 4 where there is a high line. He's also not great at defending the dribble. If you are JB, you should know that (1) the fans recognize that you had a great career at Wolfsburg, (2) I hope you can find a way into the final 26. Great goal against Ghana.
     
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  25. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    Yes

    If u think the us will play the same way against their wc opponents who arguably may all be better then any team they played in qualifying all I can say is well there are levels to this sport. The idea that Brooks and his very poor abilities have been hiding in Germany all these years mascarading as a top choice cb in the league is pretty funny.
     
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