The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Fourteen players have signed scholarships with Manchester City ahead of the 2022/23 season.
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    EDS & ACADEMY

    City youngsters sign first professional contracts

    Joel Ndala, Jahmai Simpson Pusey, Justin Oboavwoduo, Isaiah Dada-Mascoll, Lakyle Samuel, Michael Okeke, True Grant, Alfie Harrison, Ashton Muir, Charlie Gray, Ezra Carrington, Jaden Heskey, Sebastian Naylor and Jacob Wright all penned full-time agreements with the Club this summer.

    They are the latest batch of players to be promoted to the Under-18 side and have begun pre-season training with Lead Coach Ben Wilkinson ahead of the new Under-18 Premier League campaign.
     
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  3. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
     
  4. rutters

    rutters Member

    Sep 17, 2018
     
  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Erik Ten Hag has said his Man United won’t be buying many English players due to the cost of them. They will be pushing the non homegrown limits if they do get rid of many more and with many of their young homegrown players non English anyway if he has a long stint English players could become quite sparse.
     
  6. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Not just about cost as he also said it’s about quality so I presume he just generally doesn’t rate them. Utd will probably have a low count of English qualified players playing week in week out this season.
     
  7. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    “I would like to sign English players because there is only one criteria and that’s quality in combination with the price. English players are quite expensive.”

    I don't think that gives the impression that he doesn't rate English players.
     
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  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The long term effect might be that while senior squad players play for a wider variety of clubs compared to some of the big teams there will also be more playing at non CL and non Europe teams which could have issues from an experience point of view.
     
  9. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Impressed with Cooper at forest. Signing a few good English players from lower leagues. Richards, toffolo, obrien, Henderson and in for tavernier/lingard. A few good English players to watch there next season.
     
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  10. wellno

    wellno Member+

    Jul 31, 2016
  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  12. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Anyone know a list of which England youth are on loan in the The Championship, League One etc this season? Looking at The Championship games today and it seems that highly rated English youngsters are thin on the ground. Obviously a number of loan moves will happen as the window comes to a close.
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    English players in the Community shield

    Starting line ups - 4/22 = 18%
    Total players used - 8/31 = 26%
     
  14. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    There are not that many highly rated English youngsters at the level of championship loans. Lots of them seem to be going league one and lower for loans. Even those seem as possible PL loans are instead being talked about as championship loan (Delap for example.)
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It is interesting football has gone to five/six subs when the majority of people want rugby is going to reduce or even limit tactical substitutions. I wonder if football will go back the other way at some point.
     
  17. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Some pretty strong rumours that McAtee to Sheffield Utd on loan is going to happen sometime today. Could be a good move but I really don’t know but he needs regular first team football this season imo.
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It’s just struck me how odd it is for the PL to be advocating starting line up quotas for the lower leagues when a lot of people want quotas in the starting line up for the league and an flop for the team in Qatar would add to that pressure,
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Even if we flop there’s very little chance there will be any change to the quotas in the Premier League. Far too much money involved and all the Clubs want access to the best players and don’t care about where they come from. If there was an appetite for change then the FA had the best chance to make that change whilst negotiating Brexit but like always, they failed to make any real difference and bowed to the Premier League and the Clubs.
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It depends on if the Goverment gets involved. If a Government decides it’s worth intervening to get public support (as the majority of the public think there are way too few English players in the league) then quotas could happen. The reaction Super league shows Governments could well intervene at some point and take on the clubs. The main negotiations happened during a period of success for English teams with the junior success’s in 2017 and then the semi final in Russia so the FA was weakened. Had Russia turned out to be a flop the FA would have been in a stronger position.
     
  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It will be interesting to see how many English players my club West Ham are starting in a couple of seasons time. Could be quite a low number with the homegrown quota pushed to the absolute limit.
     
  22. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    And the problem is with the homegrown quota is that it doesn’t guarantee they are English qualified. Might end up with only two or three English qualified.
     
  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Of course. Through in the coming years it will slowly remove the Lukaku type of player who moved to England as late teens. No way for it to not count duals through. Would be extremely controversial for players who have lived in England their whole life to not count just because they play for another country and I’m not sure would be legal if someone challenged it under employment law.
     
  24. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Interesting to see how this goes. Michael Appleton always has his eye out for youth options.

     
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  25. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC


    I’m kind of surprised he couldn’t get a Championship loan but still this could be a decent move for him to play regular football and set himself up for senior development.
     
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