Summer 2022 Transfer Thread - What's next???

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  1. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Supposedly...

    Juve interested in Torreira...


    OM want Nuno on loan...


    Paqueta free to leave...


    But Lyon want 65m euro base...
     
  2. cantona94

    cantona94 Member

    Jul 16, 2000
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    65 million?? Yikes. Seems rather steep. I wouldn’t pay that if I’m Arsenal.
     
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  3. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    RE: Torreira... Also seeing some claims that he did an interview in S America and claimed that his agent is talking with Roma and that he personally talked with Mourinho.
     
  4. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Fcuk Italian clubs. Fcuking paupers

    don’t do any business with them
     
  5. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Why can’t this moron every shut the fcuk up
     
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  6. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
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    Arsenal FC
    my favourite is the consistent "oh, we are poor so please give us discount" on their buying but also the "that will be seventeen bajillion dollars, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" when they are selling.
     
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  7. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Florentina certainly shouldn’t have cried poor on the Torreira option when they just sold Vlahovic for seventeen bajillion dollars 6 months ago, a fee they likely wouldn’t have gotten out of Juve if it weren’t for Arsenal.
     
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  8. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    saw some mention on twitter that we did submit a bit for ~7.

    now i'm curious if going from 40 for martinez -> 7 for grimaldo was simply because martinez was truly valued more for ability, health, and versatility or if we went instead for the 7 to divert cash to a possible DM replacement.
     
  9. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ornstein says we are monitoring Kyle Walker-Peters just in case we need a RB. Southampton are trying to extend him but negotiations are not going well. Spurs have a 30m buy back.
     
  10. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Spurs are signing Djad Spence. But if Arsenal show real interest they might go back in for Walker-Peters.
     
  11. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I believe if they signed Martinez they could get away without signing another defensive midfielder. Martinez has played as a defensive midfielder, but even if he can’t perform that role by himself, if Arsenal use him as an inverted LB and Tomiyasu as an inverted RB, any one of Xhaka, Elneny, and Sambi could fill in a single pivots with the inverted FBs for support, without giving up much defensively. If they can get Martinez, and that’s a big if, I think two more signings would be sufficient. Because Martinez has the flexibility to play LCB, LB, and DM, he fills multiple needs. For the second signing I would target Paqueta over Tielemans, even though he is more expensive, also because of his flexibility. He can play anywhere in the front 4/5, including the left 8. I don’t see Tielemans filling in on the wing, if necessary.
     
  12. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
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    Arsenal FC
    interesting. i didn't realise he was still only 25. that fits the age profile they have been chasing this window. he'd fit the versatility arteta seems to like since i think he plays on the left for them sometimes? i assume it would take someone being willing to take cedric soares off our hands, though.
     
  13. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    that makes sense. he seems very defensively proficient so being able to have him and tomiyasu be more defensive would certainly help whoever fills in at DM.

    i don't see us getting martinez, though. at this point, i just want to stay in it long enough for ajax to bleed united.

    lyon apparently wants the conversation to start at 60-65. he'd better be something special if we're doing that.
     
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  14. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    €60m to €65m, about £52m to £57m, about what Arsenal offered for Raphinha. Paqueta is younger than Raphinha, has three times as many caps for Brazil in international tournaments, has more goals plus assists in league play over the last two seasons, and fills a position of, need while providing cover for the forwards. So yes he does appear to be something special.

    There are always risks, he’d be changing leagues, but his work rate is extraordinary. This season he averaged 24 pressures per 90 minutes, 5 more per 90 than Odegaard, Arsenal’s best presser. Were it my money, I’d take the risk.
     
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  15. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Isn’t paqueta a ten?
     
  16. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    According to Fabrizio;
    "Final verbal proposal: €72m guaranteed, with all details included. Leeds are set to accept once it will be official bid" from Barcelona to Leeds for Raphinha.

    So they have that but owe De Jong 17m in unpaid wages...
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    We have to be careful about the cash vs the non-cash aspects

    The salary cap imposed is a calculation i.e last season they had a negative cap imposed meaning they had to cut, and got the benefit of reductions only at a 1:4 ratio - i.e they could spend 1 euro for every 4 euros saved. We don't know what the '22 calculation is.

    This explains the deferment in the Auba deal. They can pay him but they are not allowed to pay him. Hence deferment.

    So this (allegedly) will shake out when De Jong is inevitably offloaded, bringing in a huge transfer fee to balance Raphinha. and taking away his huge wage - but it only goes into the calculation for 1 July '23

    This is why we continue to see them signing players they can't register.
     
  18. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Feel like we should feign interest in KWP just to make spurs burn money on him so that we don't buy him.

    And if they don't buy him, we should.
     
  19. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
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    --other--
    The deferment is what they tryna squeeze De Jong out of. He deferred his salary in 2020, and Barca doesn't want to pay him what they owe.

    In real-world terms, Barca can't spend money. They are broke and they are selling pieces of assets--club merchandise, TV deal, soon-to-be stadium rights--to offset that. These are not the actions of a club with unlimited cash flow, which is why Bayern telling Barcelona to pay for Lewandowski upfront with real cash has them shook.

    This is a broke club and I honestly believe they are cooking the books.
     
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  20. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    not to go too off-topic and ifk what the laws are in Spain or La Liga but either Barce gets sold OR they get relegated by the end of the decade.
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Hmm. I didn't say they. have unlimited cashflows, but they are much more restricted by the cap calculation than they are by actual cashflow. This is the cap working as expected, forcing then to churn/renegotiate bad contracts for new cheaper ones. That is why they want to sign old stars like Lewy/Auba - to prop up their earning potential in a cheaper way.

    The TV rights sale is an example of unintended consequences IMO. It is like a secured loan, bringing income forward into the current year, which helps hugely with the calculation (large cash inflow. lower net debt). But it is a bad deal for the club.

    I suppose they have to balance the risks of becoming a mediocre team, failing to qualify for the CL, and thus having the worst combo of falling revenues and increasing debts

    What Barca really need is a rich owner like Stan who can rack up a whole lot of debt on a new team off the balance sheet, then fail to qualify for the CL, and preside over mounting debt, costs and poor revenues :laugh:
     
  22. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    As opposed to some other things he's said, this could actually work. Juve or Roma could at least afford 10MM GBP, in contrast to Fiorentina who will try to weasel out of paying anything at all.
     
  23. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    Yeah, I'm not getting this one at all. The club needs him to transfer out to get wages off the books and to buy/register new players, and they're still trying to stiff him for the deferred wages. It seems to me that all DeJong has to do is refuse the transfer and Barca is in a world of hurt.
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Seems a certain player is back in training?
     
  25. KozIsCul

    KozIsCul Member+

    Feb 6, 2005
    He looks to me like he's Xhaka on steroids, the same kind of player but just better in every aspect. So probably an 8 (?) more than a 10.

    In any event, for the incoming transfers this window, it looks to me like the club is emphasizing quality at the risk of mismatching the squad. Ie, we're not trying to bring in Chris Wood, Patrick Bamford or Douglas Luiz who would address clear needs for us. Instead we signed Gabriel Jesus and are going after Paqueta. We also signed Fabio Vieira, where as a matter of first impression strengthens a postion where we are already strong.

    I'm not sure what I think about this yet. Maybe I like it, but I'm going back and forth on it.
     

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