The FC Dallas Thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by ielag, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. Agent_Orange

    Agent_Orange Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Nov 17, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ‘02 Parker -> ‘02 Kamungo
    They almost pulled off the exact same play 2min later but Bernard missed the open net at the back post.
     
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
  3. Agent_Orange

    Agent_Orange Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Nov 17, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rauf Salifu should put his goal bonus checks in the mail and address them to Chili Araneda. Disasterclass prior to his mercy-subbing after the 4th.

    NTX’s offense looked freaking good again, but the finishing wasn’t sharp.
     
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  4. Agent_Orange

    Agent_Orange Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Nov 17, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I'm really intrigued to see what happens in FCD's keeper pipeline. I won't be surprised if this is the last year of Mauer in the organization. Carrera moves up to 2 next season. Then they have the guys like Eyestone and others move up to NTSC starts. Seth Wilson is there this season, but has zero appearances for NTSC.
     
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  6. Agent_Orange

    Agent_Orange Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Nov 17, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maurer's contract is guaranteed through 2023. They could trade him, I guess, but I think the club sees a lot of value in his presence on the bench and in practice. He's a rotational captain and Luchi would refer to him (and Zobeck) as an extra coach on the field.

    Right now for 2023 I've got Maurer backing up Paes for another season, another season of Carrera starting for NTX (and maybe getting Open Cup starts) with Eyestone backing him up, Eyestone splitting starts at the U19s with Salinas, Enriquez and Wheeler or Martinez splitting starts at the U17s, and on and on down the org. Wouldn't be surprised to see Eyestone do a year on a NTX contract that automatically bumps to an FCD deal for the 2024 season (when he'll take over as the full-time starter for NTX as Carrera moves full time to FCD).
     
  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I don't know. I just see Maurer (can't believe I screwed up his last name above) as an MLS-quality starter. He's 33. Is he going to be happy sitting there on the bench? Maybe. I thought he was really good last year, and was surprised that they went out to sign a foreign keeper.

    Maybe its wishful thinking on my part. I WANT Carrera to move one rung up the ladder to be in contention for a start or two with the first team. USOC and the like. He'll be 19 next MLS season. That's not "too young" to be considered for first team starts. If we can talk about Chris Brady getting starts next year in Chicago, we can talk about Carrera in Dallas. They're virtually the same age.
     
  8. Agent_Orange

    Agent_Orange Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Nov 17, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They still badly need another forward (Crear or Hernandez, ideally, or both), but these two already make this a successful off-season for the 2007s.
     
  9. Agent_Orange

    Agent_Orange Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Nov 17, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welp
     
  10. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I don’t think Crear is happening anytime soon. I’ve heard from a bunch of people that it’s just not a realistic option right now. I’m wondering if it’s even an option for 2023-24.

    Maybe I end up being wrong, but I think there’s a lot of work to be done to bring him over to FC Dallas.
     
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  11. El Chico Carmona

    Mar 10, 2015
    Baraboo, Wisconsin
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Has FCD Academy "turned the page" on its sour relationship with neighboring North Texas academies?

    I don't know that I can think of a previous season, where so many players were recruited from neighboring academies in one off-season. Or am I mistaken?
     
  12. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps there's some fees involved now. It would make sense and why there were sour feelings. With RSL purchasing Luna for 50k it seems MLS is becoming more of a normal league with not only selling but also buying.
     
  13. Agent_Orange

    Agent_Orange Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Nov 17, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last year they got Outman, Hart, and Saucedo from Solar, and Mancia from DKSC. Grimm came over two years ago from Solar.
     
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  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    There isn't a mechansim to give a fee to a club like Solar.
    Solar is a not-for-profit organization by definition.

    Maybe they can waive fees for Dallas Cup entry or something sneaky like that.

    My opinion? They don't talk to Solar leadership at all.
    I'll use my favorite quote again:

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  15. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or use their coaches when they need more for events. Could be a way Solar recruits is to point out players that start with them and then move on eventually.
     
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  16. El Chico Carmona

    Mar 10, 2015
    Baraboo, Wisconsin
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Sure, but wouldn't you say that last year and this year, are far from the norm?

    I just don't recall this much movement before these last 12 months.
     
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  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    There's a million and one ways that there could be a financial relationship, and I'd be pretty surprised if there wasn't one in some way, even if it isn't "by player" -- which I suspect it is not.
     
  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Then again...................there's no reason it needs to be.
    A Solar player isn't under contract in any way whatsoever.
    Do people think SKC "paid" Solar when Bailey Sparks moved to there?
    Of course they didn't. Did Norwich pay Solar when Jonathan Tomkinson moved there? Of course they didn't.

    Solar is pay-for-play. If the player stops paying, the relationship is over.
    Solar is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. They are a not-for-profit by definition.
    They're the Boy Scouts or 4H club.

    Enough of this nonsense.
     
  19. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    going to agree with you here. I don't see any reason for their to be an agreement or any relationship between Solar and FCD. The players know FCD is the 800 pound gorilla and likely always have plans of going to FCD Academy if given the chance.

    There is no pro pathway at Solar and really there is no real comparison when it comes to pro development. Solar has done well and punched above their weight with what they have, but they are a local youth soccer club, not a professional soccer organization. It's just the reality of the situation.
     
  20. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    Anyone have any insight what happened to Antonio at the recent U20 games? It seems he played one game and that was it. I figured he would split time but it appears he did not play in a single game of consequence. Is he in the mix for that goalie spot or was he just there because others were hurt?

    Puzzling as Mikey was his club coach and I figured would play him.
     
  21. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Dude, I don't know why you get so upset about this stuff. I'm not talking about direct player compensation -- though I have heard about quite training comp payments.

    It's not an unusual practice for pro teams in any sport to build a relationship with other local teams. The amateur team establishes itself as a key pipeline and there can be resourcing support, i.e. cash flow. The pro team gets scouting, positive pushes on the best talent, an overflow organization for the players that don't play for them and quality opposition.

    If you think about it, it's actually an incredibly cost-efficient way to a) have strong competition b) have a b team without paying for it can c) expand your coaching/scouting base without paying anyone full time.

    And you also quell the local politics which get in the way and create negative aspects for your team in the local soccer community.

    The payments can come in a lot of ways -- one common one in basketball is paying the coach for working youth camps.

    I don't know anything specific about FC Dallas, so maybe they do nothing, but this kind of relationship is not unusual from what I hear.

    No, SKC doesn't really care about their relationship with Solar.

    They very well might have when Tomkinson signed his first pro contract. While USSF doesn't require training comp and solidarity, it would not be the first time a European team tried to pay it despite that. Solar would be owed training compensation.

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    MLS is now asking for training comp and solidarity; I don't think they are paying for US players that training at US academies ... but I wonder if any of them are passing on the cash for when a player gets signed overseas or any element of solidarity? There was real silence on that. I could see it going either way or being team by team. MLS central likely doesn't want to open that can of worms and there are a lot of cheap-o teams, but I also can imagine some teams doing it as incentive.

    If a non-MLS academy gets more from a player going straight to Europe but MLS doesn't, you can imagine that might influence the advice given. But if an MLS team gives that cash, and can make a credible argument that the MLS angle/additional development will make the payment bigger ... well, it goes the other way.
     
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  22. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    My main point was there is no reason to even consider giving Solar anything. FCD is going to get Solar's best players whether Solar likes it or not. It has been trending that way for awhile (JOGO, Colin Smith, REggie Cannon were solar players) and it seems now it is more solid than ever.

    If FCD needed to acknowledge Solar or give them something to get the best players, who knows, maybe they do. I suggest they don't need to. The players will come on their own. If a kid is in NTX and he is pro caliber, a solar coach telling him not to go to FCD I suggest won't have much weight. The Solar path to the pros is non existent as I see it now. It's more of the go to college and then hope to get on a pro team at some point. ( I think Bailey is playing at SMU and maybe some summer pro tryouts last I heard).

    The FCD path is now clear. The only downside is the recent article Buzz posted about FCD now won't be signing young homegrowns and will force them to work their way through NTXSC, ( which seems to be worse than last year) in terms of playing level. Kids may decide not to sign with NTXSC if no HG is offered with FCD, and take the JOGO route. AT least I think it makes it more likely.

    Time will tell.
     
  23. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I think U-15 and lower that if you took the best players from Texans, Solar, and other players scattered throughout DFW and combined them into one team that they'd have a better team than FC Dallas. It gets more difficult as you move up any higher than that because those players move away from the smaller clubs and move to pro environments. Some don't even move to FC Dallas. Guy Michaeli who was at Texans moved to Sporting KC, and is now having success for their NEXT Pro team.
     
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  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It's not a question of need. It's a question of relationship and what you can get out of it.

    For example, at some point, there's going to be a player at Solar that Dallas really wants, and they may be debating Dallas or going the Gomez route to Louisville or heading to Europe. They just might ask their coach of a few years for advice.

    Or perhaps MLS opens up homegrown territories, as there's been rumors about. Do you want an antagonistic relationship there?

    Hell, even if all the best players are going from Solar to FC Dallas, isn't it to your advantage that they get the best training and experience at Solar? Wouldn't you want them to be successful in this case?

    I'm not saying MLS clubs are sending hundreds of thousands in cash, but if you have to say, have a slew of extra coaches at your camps, it seems like paying Solar coaches might be a good way to go.

    Or sending a local player not quite ready for FC Dallas over to Solar as a reco. Or hell, working together on coaching instruction, etc., so that the players that Solar are actually more prepared when they go to FCD (or better competition when they play FCD).

    The moment in time is the moment in time. Smart teams will realize that having a happy feeder club is an important thing both in the short and long term. The cash I'm talking about is not material to an MLS club but is much bigger to the people at these other clubs.

    A team can be big swinging dick and they will still get most of the players. But a smart team can make a local partner an asset, not just someone to steal from.
     
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  25. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    What you say is all true, but i just don't think it matters to FCD to put forth any effort into those things. Now I could be wrong and it goes on behind the scenes, and my kids swings through both clubs has come and gone ( in both Solar and FCD Academies) but I can tell you from those days, it was not a harmonious relationship. And neither one really cared for the other. At the end of the day, FCD doesn't need Solar at all.

    As a point of note, the first day my kid was in the academy at FCD the coaches sat down the entire team and told them ( "well, you made the team for today, but you may not be here tomorrow. We get over a thousand calls and emails a week from kids trying to take your place") FCD has no lack of top level talent begging to get in their academy. At least they did three years ago.

    From what I know about the little guys ( age 10 and below) right now, Solar has much better prospects than FCD. ( as much as you tell anything about little guys) I anticipate they will all make their way to FCD in the coming years( many were trying out at FCD the last few weeks) and it will be business as usual.
     
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