The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    West Ham have seemingly complained to the FA and League over all. Comments in the Athletic suggest he might be going to Spurs instead of Villa or Leeds.
     
  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Why Spurs or Villa or Leeds for that matter since there not great at giving kids a chance? I think these kids and their advisers really need to look at where they will best develop and more importantly get game time in the first team. I guess the silver lining is now we’re allowed five subs many teams can maybe promise to be in the first team squad with the aim of getting more minutes off the bench.
     
  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Money talks.
     
  4. Deno

    Deno New Member

    May 16, 2021
    I've got a question. Can players still be promoted to the first team if they haven't signed a professional contract? I know you have to be 17 to sign a professional deal but can they still be officially a first team player at 16?

    I'm pretty sure Harvey Elliott was an official Liverpool first team member before he turned 17...
     
  5. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yes is the answer if we follow the same rules as Germany. Think you have to be 16.
     
  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Jobe Bellingham is classed as part of Birmingham City’s first team and is still 16.
     
  7. Deno

    Deno New Member

    May 16, 2021
    Does that mean he gets a first team professional contract/a youth team professional contract??
     
  8. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    You can't sign pro until you're 17. Jobe turns 17 in September so his scholarship will only last about two and a half months, whoever he's playing for.
     
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  9. Deno

    Deno New Member

    May 16, 2021
    Okay, thanks. By the way Juni, can you check your inbox for conversations? Got some things to ask...
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    There are rumours Liverpool are after him but I do wonder if he will reject them now and then try and move from January onwards like Jude did.
     
  11. Deno

    Deno New Member

    May 16, 2021
    Surely, he must have some pre pro deal, so Liverpool would need to pay a hefty amount to get him...
     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Not one single English player mentioned in the BBC round up of the Sunday papers. Sky sports at least mention that Palace are interested in Morgan Gibbs - White as well as more Sterling to Chelsea news.
     
  13. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Confirmed now that Darko Gyabi has signed for Leeds as part of the Kalvin Phillips deal to City.
     
  14. Deno

    Deno New Member

    May 16, 2021
    Just a general question, what does everyone think about the PL2 (U23s) reverting back to U21s? Is it good/bad? What do you people think will come of it reverting back to the old system?

    I think clubs wanted to revert back because they don't want players to be lingering on a first team fringe basis for a possible 6/7 years when they quickly just make a profit of them quickly.
     
  15. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    It's irrelevant, most teams play an U19 side anyway, and they've allowed more overagers in as part of the change. Won't affect anything right now.
     
  16. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Just to answer an earlier post, I guess things are starting to get moving with their new training/Academy. Look forward to seeing the designs.

     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3292 Fireburn47, Jul 6, 2022
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2022
    It feels like most clubs will have even less English players next season. No sign at all of the numbers set to increase on this season. Might be even more no English players starting matches.
     
  18. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Flynn downes to West ham, sterling to Chelsea, Hudson odio to Newcastle.....i think alot of players who didn't get minutes last season will move and add to our starting quota. I think this season will be OK.
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I think so too plus the five subs being introduced should see plenty of youngsters get more game time.
     
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  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    True (The later is only a rumour at the moment through with nothing concrete as far as I can see.)
     
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  21. ADM99

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    Apr 28, 2019
     
  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    He will be among the youngest pl players ever if he gets on in the league - he is not 17 until March. Most likely he will only appear in a cup match.
     
  23. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
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    It's a clever way to counter the accusations of American favouritism he'll probably get from sections of the support.
     
  24. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
  25. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

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