Post-match: THE SAVIOR DRAWS NEAR - MLS MATCHDAY 17 CREW VS SNEK FC SUN JULY 3RD 7:30 PM (PHILLY UNION)

"Well some of us agree with the Supreme Court decision, this is divisive!"

That's the fuckin point, if you don't support women's rights you're not welcome in the Nordecke.

— Blue Lives Murder (@CaptainTrips86) July 1, 2022

This is the problem. You say everyone will be welcome in the Nordecke, but some people don't feel this way. I hope when some Nordecke people don't participate in the protest Sunday there won't be a problem.

 

Both sides: "It's a free country!"
Also both sides: "How dare you don't ______! I'm outraged!"

 

The Nordeke “leadership” is acting like facists. And this is coming from a pro choice person.

 

By removing banners, making charitable donations, and suggesting you wear pink?

 

Because of a voluntary protest?

They didn't ban drums, flags, banners, etc.
They're not forcing people to wear any specific color.

Edit: Hippie and I posted at the same time. People are certainly free to bring whatever they normally bring. If someone wants to bring their own banner, I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed, providing it's within the stadium policies.

 

Wait are banners banned or not?
Is cheering banned or not?

 

AFAIK, nothing is banned other than the obvious usual stuff. (Bottles/cans in the section, throwing stuff on the field, unauthorized pyro, etc.)

Here's how I understand it:
The drum corps won't be a thing, but individuals are still welcome to bring their own musical instruments.
The capo stands won't be populated, but people are still welcome to organically start cheers "old-school style."
The usual banners/flags may not be there, but anyone is welcome to bring their own.

So basically, a bit of turning the clock back to a few years ago.

 

Ok. I stand corrected. Decent “protest”. Still don’t get why it has to happen but it’s not nearly as bad as the people who are quitting on the club because of politics.

 

I'm guessing I'm the only one who's genuinely completely indifferent on this topic. Not abortion....but political/social protest at sports events.

I can get everyone's stance. I'm pro-choice so the protests are fine with me. I also think it's stupid to admonish people who don't want to be a part of that protest. I believe there's things bigger than sports and women's rights are clearly one of them. What i dont see is the relevance of making the sports team that you/we all love, a battlefield for our grievances. If you want to be heard, why not protest where you arent just preaching to the choir (the nordecke) and to other people in attendance who disagree and to who's opinion you will not sway. If your protest isn't directed specifically at the people directly responsible for your issue...what are you accomplishing? I'm all for letting people vent if they arent harming other people...but that's all it really is. Blowing off steam about a thing your troubled by. I also recognize that our sports events are private functions we pay admission to attend. The company putting on the event (the Haslams) can promote, protest, or just ignore anything they see fit. I personally wouldn't expect them to say anything. I don't ever expect any business to stand up for what I think is right because I already assume our interests aren't aligned. I'm not offended by the Haslams because I already could've assumed their position....and its not my position.... but at the end of the day it has nothing to do with the soccer. Ill fight the fight somewhere more meaningful than a niche sports event.

Let me also say....however....that since worldly issues are bigger than sports....sports aren't immune to them, and shouldn't be. When people demand change.......and they demand it now....their rage isn't going to sit quietly and patiently until election day or whatever. They're going to unleash it on anyone and everyone they even remotely blame or associate with their issue. A large forum such as a sports event is prime for such displays of protest. People in opposition can find it distasteful and inconvenient but that's the whole point. To disrupt everyone's contentment with the status quo. If the front office wants to insulate a certain segment of the fan base from another....that's their prerogative. There's no win-win solution for them. If you have a problem with management, you can tell them in the only language they understand...and that's your money. Withhold it if you care to. Maybe it will sway them. Probably not though.

I don't know. I'm very jaded and cynical about politics. I don't think the things that most people do in protest have the power to significantly change anything. It's just people venting their feelings on the matters. Unless you're taking direct action to alter your circumstances....you're hoping a career politician who doesn't care about you...will save you. You can shout and curse at your fellow Columbus Crew fans but what does that do but divide people who prior to, had a common bond.

I digress. GO CREW

 

Sometimes a “rep” is not enough. This is a really excellent post.

 

I will have a drum and my loud ass voice. Anyone who wants to get this party going, let's do this fcuking thing!

 

@LaMacchia do you know if individuals are allowed to bring megaphones?

 

I know it's hard to imagine, but I am aware of more than a handful of people who love Columbus Crew, but have other priorities in life register higher than this floundering soccer club.

It's a classic tactic of the civility police to throw on their sirens and scream disrespect when people have the audacity to speak against a politician they support. This serves to change the subject away from needing to defend politicians stances, and shines the light on political opponents instead. It's a very sad, and very pathetic standard of argument. But it has become especially en vogue in conservative circles over the last 20 years, even among so called serious intellectual corners like those hucksters at National Review.

DeWine can sit in a box at Crew stadium every game if he wants, and soak in the admiration from certain fans. For some, who align mostly with DeWine this would be perfect, because they seem to believe that once someone enters a room, they hold only the beliefs and stances most relevant to that room.

Those that can walk and chew gum at the same time know that DeWine wearing a black and gold scarf is still a DeWine who spends endless energy working against women's reproductive health, who works to undermine faith in elections and fostered Trump's big lie, who is terrible on gun control issues, and a host of other issues important to many people.

When DeWine shows up at these events, he isn't showing up as a private citizen. He's not showing up as DeWiddy69 from BigSoccer or reddit. He's showing up as Governor of Ohio to bask attempt to bask in a singular accomplishment. But as Governor of Ohio, he cannot leave all these other issues at the door.

That may upset the civility police. While pleading for civility they will themselves lob ad hominem attacks and call their opponents pathetic, or assholes or juvenile. But, for many (not all) of these people, the motive is clear. It's a whitewashing effort, so that their favored politician need not be held accountable for their policy, action, or inaction, and therefore they can continue forward with desired agenda with minimal public pushback.
It's a clearly transparent effort, no matter how many times one attempt to paint themselves as moderate or centrist by claiming to hold their nose while supporting said politicians.

 

Im ok with the protest (i would prefer there wasn’t one ), But I think a few things are going overboard. Now hopefully Crew fans in all sections are just as loud as normal. It will definitely be a different atmosphere. Morgan Hughes comments are respectful. I work with ppl at Honda who always want me to join Nordecke ( will never happen only because i sit down and prefer to stand as little as possible) I like that they accept anyone and do work in the community.

What i think they need to address is ppl like captaintrips86- “That's the ********in point, if you don't support women's rights you're not welcome in the Nordecke.”

I think that’s a ignorant statement and attitude and it’s definitely decisive. Crew Fans come together to support the Crew. I would prefer no protest but if it’s done tastefully and respectfully then it’s fine. I’m not going to waste time talking to ppl who can’t carry a adult conversation. If the Nordecke supports this type of behavior than it shows a clear lack of integrity.


I also think there are a lot of false statements considering this is a about certain laws on a state or federal level and everyone doesn’t agree. Move somewhere that shares your ideals. Or be inconvenienced

 

And of course Morgan "I Saved the Crew! Me! I'm the Man!" Hughes weighs in with his own special blend of arrogance and ignorance:

I’ve noticed a few #Crew96 fans saying that protest won’t work. They’re wrong.

They say due to a lack of atmosphere, they’re the victims. They aren’t.

They say the players will suffer without chanting. They won’t.

You’re on the right side of history. Keep fighting.

— Morgan Hughes (@Morgan_Hughes) July 1, 2022

I’ve noticed a few #Crew96 fans saying that protest won’t work. They’re wrong.

Please tell me how a Crew fan not putting up a banner will "work" to accomplish one damned thing. "You're wrong and I'm right because I say so" does not count.

They say due to a lack of atmosphere, they’re the victims. They aren’t.

I have yet to see anyone use lack of stupid banners and capos (which I hate anyway) to claim victimhood. That is ridiculous, but strawmen are always in fashion. (Certainly not putting up that antifa banner is a plus at least) That aside, I thought that "atmosphere" was what Nordecke exists for. Maybe I have that wrong too.

They say the players will suffer without chanting. They won’t.

"Suffer"? Well no, they won't. But according to YOU the support the Nordecke provides is a key, crucial element that spurs the players on to greater efforts and greater feats. Without it, by YOUR accounting, they wion't perform as well.

Unless of course all that Nordecke propaganda is just a bunch of self-serving bullshit.

You’re on the right side of history. Keep fighting.

Right side of what history, exactly? Certainly not world history, since 95% of the western world has laws very much in line with what Ohio allows.

And I have a question for my learned colleague @LaMacchia regarding this:

"Well some of us agree with the Supreme Court decision, this is divisive!"

That's the fuckin point, if you don't support women's rights you're not welcome in the Nordecke.

— Blue Lives Murder (@CaptainTrips86) July 1, 2022

Now I grant you that this guy is, as he says, an antifa supporter, and who retweets stuff from the certifiably insane Keith Olberman, but you told me that the Nordecke was tolerant of all points of view, that no one would want to exclude anyone who disagreed with what "the leadership" wants.

And yet here's a guy who says that anyone who disagrees with Nordecke 'leadership' on a political issue is not welcome in the North end of the stadium. (Particularly since he himself - and his pals in the :leadership" - get to define "women's rights' to suit themselves)

Help me understand. Then I'll explain to you why it is someone might be reluctant to speak up.

 

1 - I am going to reduce observations very simply so I apologize in advance. Some Crew fans may not have been “activists” prior to STC. Then they became activists. And (regardless of the right or wrong) now they associate activism with their fandom. Whatever activism that associates with or entails. Moreover, I would go out on a very short limb that most fans around them encourage that “action/speech/direction.”

2 - Go Crew. Keep climbing the standings! Our hero, Artemis Rocket, awaits!


Edit: Also, could some of you knock off empowering/showcasing some of these Crew fans in whatever negative light you deem fit? These individuals with personal Twitter accounts have their right to say whatever their heart’s desire. You are free to knock them down. But why? To call them names? Seems silly.

Disagreeing with an “official” Nordecke stance is one thing. Have at it. In my humble opinion, none of these individuals represent THE Crew supporters. They never have for me. They are human beings. With faults. Educated or lack there of. Critical thinking or again lack there of. They speak in grand proclamations on very heavy, large, and complex issues. That works well when you are leading a movement like STC. Now?

Well it reminds me of that lyric from Hamilton.. “Winning was easy, young man. Governing's harder.”

 

Perspective is important. I whole-heartedly agree with this.

 

As my buddy Brian always tells me, "the delete key is your friend". While we often have sharp political discussions over in that part of the board, I appreciate everyone who posts there (except, perhaps, the occasional troll). It challenges and sharpens my thinking and occasionally changes it. "As iron sharpens iron, so one man (or woman) sharpens another".

 

Five pages. Over 100 posts. A good 30-40% of the posts complaining that the protest will affect the stadium experience, and possibly the team, and that they disapprove. Screeds calling everyone else a crybaby. Followed by insistence that they aren’t claiming victim hood.

The intellectual integrity and consistency is truly off the charts. It’s performance art. It’s internet shit posting par-exellance. Never change Big Soccer Crew Board.

 

There won't be any problems for people who choose to purchase beer - which is the only thing the Nordecke is asking people not to do.

 

To the best of my knowledge, megaphones are only for use by capos on the stands.

 

This Twitter user - CaptainTrips86 - speaks for neither the Nordecke Supporters Group nor its Board. All official statements from the Nordecke or its Board will come from official Nordecke channels.

Personally - I don't even know who this person is and I wish they'd keep their mouth shut since they're not adding any value to the conversation with this hyperbole and doing more harm than good.

Also, @Bill Archer, no need to explain to me why some people are reluctant to speak up. I may be a whippersnapper but I wasn't born yesterday.

 

Can I just correct one thing real quick:

The Nordecke did not boo Mike Dewine. About 8 people who bought Nordecke tickets booed Mike Dewine. I know this because I was standing about 15 feet from Mike Dewine and can name at least three of the people who tried to get the rest of the section to join their booing and failed. I also witnessed a few dozen people tell the Dewine Boobirds to knock it off.

It really bugs me that the posters to these boards, who I have often and repeatedly called the most intelligent and knowledgeable group of Crew fans, can't understand that individual voices do not represent the Nordecke Section, the Nordecke Supporters Group, or the elected Board of said supporters group.

When Lauren Boebert denounces the separation of church & state, is she speaking for all of congress - or even all republicans? When AOC says that we should outlaw fossil fuels is she speaking for every democrat? Y'all. Please. You know this. Stop it.

 

I think this is a PR issue for the Nordecke (org), as I’m sure you’re well aware. The fact that individual supporters groups don’t seem to be a thing anymore (is that correct, more or less?), the fact that people refer to the group of SGs in totality as the Nordecke, the fact that there is an organization called The Nordecke (org), and then there is a section called the Nordecke that features people from SGs and The Nordecke (org), there are certain ‘famous fans’ that have a very large and public voice that are associated with a nebulous form of ‘the nordecke’, randos, and people coming to their first game of soccer live and just getting tix there because it’s cheap (because prices are wild)…..

It’s a bit of a branding and messaging issue, to say the least.

Hey [mention]LaMacchia [/mention] has The Nordecke (org) ever considered a re-brand to differentiate itself from the Nordecke north end stand? Or even discussed this issue?

 

Thank goodness for @LaMacchia. Doing Lord Guillermo‘s work on a beautiful Saturday afternoon.