CONCACAF 2022 U20/U23 Championships Tournament Thread

The CR names if anyone cares

Concacaf hands U.S. forward Cade Cowell three-game suspension for "violent and unsportsmanlike conduct" -- he's out of Friday's U-20 semifinals. Costa Rica has nine players (!) handed suspensions of three to six games. #CU20 pic.twitter.com/0QAlLNrOML

— Paul Kennedy (@pkedit) June 30, 2022

 

If JOGO gets significant minutes for his first team, I wouldn't be surprised if GB gives him spot #26

 

The schedule for Friday:



Times are PDT.

 

That would have made it interesting had CR won.

 

So 6pm and 9pm Eastern.

 

Since they have no more youth competitions for their age group, I think this means they're suspended for the next official senior matches. That would be the World Cup in Qatar. Can they count that as their suspension even when none of them would be selected? If so, it's a bit toothless, but it's difficult when the team is eliminated.

 

But what does that mean? Do they have to be on a gameday roster or tournament roster?

I guess my point is, if they don't have to be rostered ... three games are at the World Cup minimum. Are any of these dudes going to be at the World Cup? Then there's two Nations League games at minimum.

If they have to be rostered, okay, maybe there's a punishment, though most of them may never see the national team. But if it is just not eligible for the game, there's a good chance none of them ever miss a game that would have actually played in.

 

If he threw punches, which I didn't see, then yeah, the suspension makes sense. Although lord knows CCAF officials won't defend you.

But I'd love to hear exactly what counts as a game, because if these kids are serving their suspensions in the World Cup and Nations League ... it's not a suspension at all.

 

I highly doubt it, unless CR decides to bring to the WC players ineligible for group games. There were plenty of instances when even injured players weren't allowed to "serve" their suspensions. This is very serious punishment.

 

dos a cero baby

 

I'm basically sure they must be rostered. I don't remember who, but 3 of them played in qualifiers. CR have no players between 30 years olds and this generation. A wider hole than we have.

 

Remember when Mexico tried to use friendlies and Mexican women's NT matches to count against their multi-game suspension for the P-chant? You have to really enumerate exactly what you mean.

 

At least one of the guys who played in qualifiers against us wasn't suspended -- Aguilera. Maybe Escoe is the same Escoe -- yahoo has a different first name though so probably not? I'm not sure anyone suspended is all that close to the first team right now. Certainly only maybe Aguilera has a shot at Qatar and he didn't get suspended.

I'll take your word for it on the roster, but I wonder how this is handled for things that only have gameday rosters? If WCQ were going on, how would that work? When a player is suspended for reds / yellows, they can't even be in the gameday roster, but that's the only roster?

 

The problem I see with our recruitment of young ones is that our current senior team core is composed of players that are barely hitting their stride at the young age of 23 or less. That means any new kid that wants to play for us is going to have to beat outright a good player without the benefit of "Father Time" being a deciding factor.

 

When a player gets a red card in one of the middle games of WCQ, the team doesn't have to burn a roster slot for that player in the next game--a new roster is selected for the next game without him and that's the suspension. But in tournaments with a fixed roster, a suspended player does burn a slot. Maybe tournaments like the World Cup won't count if the players aren't selected, but non-selection to single-game rosters like Nations League or WCQ would count? I don't claim to know for sure how this is supposed to work. If they have to wait for a coach to burn a senior team roster slot for each of them for multiple competitive games just to get their suspensions to count, it could hang over some of them for years, which doesn't seem to match the intended severity of the punishment.

 

Well, yes, but using the women's team is a little further than just what I am saying here.

If a player gets a red card, they simply can't play the next game. They aren't allowed on the game day roster, and if it is something like WCQ, they don't need to make the plane trip to serve their suspension.

If the rule is that it has to be an official competition and they have to be on a competition roster to be count as suspended, great. That seems to be consensus ... I'm not as sure.

Either way, 26 man roster for Nations League in March for just two games will probably let them whittle off two games of 2-3 of them if they want.

 

None of the suspended players have a single senior cap.

 

That's an interesting question. Probably CR would be able to sacrifice some spots on the roster. But WCis the next oficial tournament anyway, and CR won't take passengers that are unable to play. And then I don't know who they'll be playing in Nations Cup.

 

I looked up the FIFA definition of "official matches" and it only included club matches. They really know how to make an issue confusing.

 

In Nations League they play at home versus Panama and at Martinique. If they win both, they go to the semis. Martinique should be a cakewalk, but even a tie versus Panama means Panama moves on.

So that's 2-4 games across Nations league where you could run off some players without a lot of risk with the roster size.

Then once you get to the Gold Cup ... running off a game is easy; it's just rotation. So getting through ALL these guys would be hard. But picking ~3 of them? Pretty easy to knock that out.

That said, if you have to be rostered in all situations... this is a death knell if you are a borderline player. Especially the six game guys. If you are a star, they figure it out. But like ... Corey Baird? You simply never get a chance. Why even call a guy into a friendly if you can't play him for SIX competitive games?

Which actually seems super harsh.

 

Hearing reports that all Mexico players have been suspended for the rest of the tournament... the suspensions will carry over to the U-20 World Cup and the Olympics

 

Might be time to start the "What's the problem with Mexico" thread...

 

Starts and ends with LigaMX ownership.

People have rightly and wrongly blamed SUM for USSF issues, but SUM’s influence over the USSF is crumbs compared to LigaMX’s influence over FMF.

 

#prorel4estadosunidosmexicanos