Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -Bremen Squad for camp
    00 M Gruev (poached), 01 CF Dinkci, 02 RB Rosenboom, 02 W Nankishi, 02 CF Woltemade, 03 attacker/fullback Brandt, 04 GK Backhaus, 05 CB Chiarodia (poached)

    00 GK Plogmann bailed, 00 M Mbom still injured and 01 W/fullback Schonfelder on 2BL loan

    makes you wonder why 01 CB Schroder extended can't even get bare min of 1st training.....

    -03 M Giesen moving to Koln II from Dynamo U19.
    https://geissblog.koeln/2022/06/naechster-neuzugang-tim-giesen-vor-u21-unterschrift/

    have to say, its funny that Koln bringing in 2 Americans (1 German-Americans) and admit they do so for marketing sake as USA is untapped potential for $$$. Even Hertha looks to want Americans for same reason. As I keep saying 1BL has become nothing but marketing scam league and $$$ obsessed.

    -Not surprising, Baumgart is NOT integration coach......wants 01 M Huseinbasic to go on 2BL loan and linked with 2BL Jahn
    https://www.ligainsider.de/denis-huseinbasic_27486/1-fc-koeln-denkt-ueber-transfer-v

    Koln not integrating much anymore, under Baumgart club just dumping all 1st prospects on loan......if 01 M Strauch wasn't out for so long, he too would get loan dumping.

    -on why 00 CF Arp transfer to 2BL Kiel, not done deal yet.
    https://www.fussballtransfers.com/a5123026136672981301-kiel-der-stand-bei-arp
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


    because NONE who go on loan comeback anyways. Bayern loaning is about increasing market price to sell, nothing else. What Brazzo says about X or Y is just lip service.

    its also because Bayern bring in players for long term aka no spot once loan is over.

    so why would they give a shit to watch your progress???

    -on 04 LB Ullrich and Hertha Youth
    Hertha BSC: Gladbach continues to court Lukas Ullrich
    Will Borussia Mönchengladbach poach again at Hertha BSC? After the blue and white talents Luca Netz (19) and Jamil Najjar (18), who have already been poached, the foals should continue to compete intensively for Lukas Ullrich (18). The left-back is currently in the pros' training camp under head coach Sandro Schwarz and was on the pitch in the 7-0 win against Maccabi Berlin on Wednesday.

    In the past season, Ullrich made 19 appearances for the A-Juniors in the Bundesliga (five goals, two assists). After losing the championship final against Borussia Dortmund (1: 2), Ullrich published a post on his Instagram account under a team photo that sounds a lot like farewell: "Now it's time to look ahead. I look forward to a new future and the next steps in my career.”

    Nothing has happened since then. From the Lower Rhine, however, it can be heard that Ullrich has already decided to move to Gladbach. On the other hand, sports director Fredi Bobic recently confirmed that he also wants to clean out the bloated Hertha squad in order to give young talents from their own academy more chances.

    After all: Should Ullrich change prematurely, Hertha beckons a fee, as with Anton Kade's change to FC Basel, since Bobic has extended Ullrich's expiring contract by option until 2023.
    https://www.berliner-kurier.de/fussball/transfer-ticker-bundesliga-hertha-bsc-fc-union-li.241919
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'll believe it when I see it. Too many of these 1BL clubs constantly say that then NOTHING happens.

    club like Hertha who have 0 coaching consistency and obssessed with throwing money on crap players and have CL ambitions have done nothing outside of CBs.

    Bobic has called Hertha U17-U19=Golden Generation too. But more you keep doing not much more and more will bail.

    but if Hertha and Stuttgart (obsessed with dev/sell but majority of their foreign youth doing NOTHING, LMAO) could start integrating more regularly German youth that could be turning point.....
     
  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -Koln team photo for next season includes
    01 M Huseinbasic, 01 M Strauch, 02 DM/CB Martel, 02 M Schwirten, 02 W Thielmann, 02 attacker Lemperle, 03 GK Urbig, 03 CB Mbi, 03 W/fullback Suchanek, 03 CF Schmid, 04 CB Smajic (poached)

    Although Huseinbasic and Schwirten=loan candidates
    Also 02 RB Sponsel (3rd Liga loan) and 02 W Obuz (2BL loan)

    -03 M Somnitz joins Austrian 2nd division and 1BL Union (who don't integrate anyone) has buy back


    -2BL Fortuna coach
    The head coach praised the U19 and U23 players who took part in the training camp in Upper Austria: "The lads presented themselves very well - that's not something to be taken for granted! This shows the good work that is done in the NLZ. It wouldn't surprise me if we saw one or the other of the NLZ players on the score sheet in a league game." will continue to be part of team training for the coming week and will be used in the upcoming test matches.


    blablabla, until it happens, FD continues to have poor youth work.
    Youth work in Germany is a joke, clubs like Bayern, Dortmund etc just poach then pat themselves on back for good youth work. Other clubs praise their good youth work for 1st training but 0 integration, LMAO, parody material.

    Or Plastic saying good youth work that they dev to sell German youth....STFU, its loan clubs who dev them.....your not doing anything, lol.
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Union Berlin who has some of worst youth work in 1BL brought in a CF from Swiss 1st.

    That's why I think topic of 04 CF Sanogo is pointless. Come 2023 he either bails perm or goes on loan. How he does at that point in time will be what matters.

    not that kid can't decide what he wants whether USA (outside of birth not even American), Germany (raised and 100% dev), Ivory Coast (Parentage).

    in any case in both U19 and pros, I don't think has shown enough for now to be given real chances in 1st. There is no II and Union constantly just brings in exp players.

    problem with youth CFs besides lack of exp is that 1BL wants you to show productivity ASAP.

    Its rare as ******** to see 1BL club show patience like Mainz did with Burkardt. He only had brake-out season in his 3rd pro season.....most clubs would have dumped his ass on loan after year 1 or MAX 2.

    and trend shows more you show yourself a diff maker ASAP more chances you get.

    their interesting 04s of
    Stein (GK), Bruns, Kemlein and Sanogo will likely have to find new clubs whether loan or perm come 2023.
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I still don't ********ing get Dortmund at all.
    Does this club even give 2 shits about II???

    Their II is in 3rd Liga, lowest level of pro. Yet over and over they prioritize U19 over II......makes 0 ********ing sense.


    does it not make more ********ing sense for Rothe to establish himself in adult so in 3rd Liga. But this club so obsessed with youth trophies AND ALWAYS THE ********ING GERMANS WHO PLAY U19 TO LAST SECOND.

    last season, they upped all foreign 03-04s above u19 but Germans play U19 to last second. 0 German U19 played 3rd Liga last season.

    Dortmund also brought a Dutch 04 LB for Dortmund II. So is that why Rothe getting U19 dumping gotta prop up the foreign youth.

    This club doesn't give 2 shits about German youth.

    whats point of 04 CB/DM Cisse and 04 M Walz train with II. We all know they will only play U19 next season.

    Dortmund II adding too many players and you still have to integrate 03 RB Semic, 03 M Gurpuz and 03 M Lutke-Frie who no longer eligible for U19.

    then 04 CB Collins training with 1st but we all know will stay in u19.....instead of trying to get him used to adult by playing 3rd Liga.....

    funny how comments on that tweet is basically
    "Good no need to rush him"
    "still has things to improve"

    all ignore existence of II? A 3rd division practice trumps any youth shit.
    also funny how No Need to rush is something ALWAYS said about ALL German Youth but never for any foreign youth.

    this is why teenage breakthrough rarer these days as clubs make majority play U19 to last second. Essentially you drag adult play and adult breakthrough while youth across Europe play pro.....its pathetic.
     
  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Dortmund II to 3rd Liga is so far amounting to nothing. Outside of Knauff, no other 02 was used, overrated Frenchie Bafounta got no chances.

    they just play mostly XI of guys with ZERO 1st prospects. Then it was basically XI where only 3 foreign youth are 1st prospects.

    Kamara was a II transfer but because he was getting barely any chances got dumped to u19.

    no German from u19 gets II upping early and then post U19 end up in II......so what the frick is point just delaying the INEVITABLE for youth trophies sake under guise of its good for your dev to play for trophies.

    if none make 1st for realz, than its just shit youth work.
    Dortmund's real youth work is HUGE L.
     
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  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm sure Rothe will get chances in 1st but more u19 is just dumb shit and more about Dortmund's ego and fixation towards youth trophies which is factual they have.

    too many comments from all at Dortmund brass and coaches have said so.

    but as many Pros have said.
    Not amount of youth trophies that says youth works good or not but amount who make 1st team for realz........followed by distant amount who play pro elsewhere

    so while Dortmund prided themselves in so many youth trophies, 0 were making 1st for realz. And no foreign brought always intent on them in 1st is nothing to do with youth work.
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    even a Wirtz got TONS of he's NOT ready for 1BL, jump is TOOOOOO BIG crap.

    its one reason he bailed from Koln. Club didn't seem intent on promoting him anytime soon and was showing 0 perspective. During Veh reign, most youth got shafted anyways.

    Also loss of Wirtz is why Koln give out pro contracts ASAP to all they rate, LOL.

    At this point, I do believe lack of physicality is just a bad excuse from coach and clubs. But that they do use it shows how much of a crutch it is.

    Neither Wirtz nor Musiala was physically ready for 1BL. But were given chance to get more and more into level. Most clubs never give that chance. 1BL is about getting used to things but playing scrap min here and there if at all won't help. How do you get hang of level if don't play???

    while Germans have to up physicality while not getting much chances. Clubs bring in players ready NOW in same positions, essentially blocking your own youth.

    I saw NUMEROUS mention during season that Laurin Ulrich must be pissed that Wanner, Ibrahimovic, Bischof, Raebiger got playing time and min training with 1st but he got NOTHING all season. Stuttgart made him play U17 to last second for sake of youth trophies. Imagine a shitty club ala Stuttgart gives you crap chances whereas youth from bigger clubs ala Bayern, Hoff and Plastic did......Is it surprising that he's had some temptations to bail??? Stuttgart was treating him like Koln did Wirtz back then. But out of fear of losing him, now training with 1st. :ROFLMAO:

    one annoying thing about 05s, is a LOT more shoud have played U19 this past season and not u17.

    what stopped Hertha from having a M trio of
    Kesik-----------Yildirim
    -----Aseko----------------------

    NOTHING but the club did. Instead 04 M Gunduz (who has 0 1st prospects) was used instead of what could have been 3/3 Ms with 1st prospects.
     
  10. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    lol


    Team of Kratzig, Bruckner, Copado, Tikvic, Aydin and that 05 Croatian best team out of 4 in escape room.
     
  11. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    100% ********ing joke. Rothe should play 3.Liga he is clearly ready to play adult football. Dortmund signing that Dutch LB basically says everything, recruiting foreign youth will always be prioritised.

    Also don’t think Walz or Cisse will get a proper chance, and that’s after the club worked hard to persuade Walz to stay when there was interest from Italian clubs.
     
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  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    and its ALL foreign who were 1st up when pros need.
    whether Kamara, Coulibaly, Fink, Gittens.....Germans mostly cricket.

    imagine being Gurpuz and having pro contract but a younger Kamara is with II (barely XI) and is 1st up for pros.

    its just to in your face obvious how they screw and delay Germans but prop up foreign.

    been said a lot that Semic only shown perspective as a lot want to poach and had 2022 contract.....

    I'm only grateful as Walz in Italy=poached, same reason don't want to see di Benedetto in Italy.

    Walz is very likely going to be an XI in M in U19 next season. Still played a lot this season but mostly rotational. But this meant he's forced for more U19.

    Cisse is problem, bet you Collins+Mane (Italian CB) will be 1st choice CBs. So Cisse,Husseck, and Blank to get screwed over and be rotational CBs in final U19 season....not good for dev if that happens. This is why I think Collins should be upped.

    Collins should be upped
    1-for his own sake and get used to pro/adult. More U19 good way for regressing.
    2-I think very very likely Mane to have 1 XI spot out of 2. As this club will always prioritize foreign.

    PS that Dutch LB who is a 04 and who joined THIS SUMMER. Already training with Dortmund 1st.......just being obvious......
     
  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #16188 Ger90, Jun 30, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2022
    CFs Preseason in 1BL

    1BL
    -Dortmund=02-Adeyemi, 04-Moukoko
    -Mainz=00-Burkardt, 03-Schmidt, 05-Weiper
    -Stuttgart=03-Kastaranas (poached)
    -Hertha=00-Ngankam, 02-Winkler, 02-Scherhant, 03-Wollschlager
    -Schalke=02-Castelle
    -Bremen=01-Dinkci, 02-Woltemade
    -Union=04-Sanogo
    -Bochum=02-Hartwig (headed for Austrian 2nd division loan)
    -Koln=03-Schmid
    -Freiburg=01-Schade (solo training)
    -Wolfsburg=04-Busch
    -Bayern=04-Copado???? (one would assume so)
    -Augsburg=00-Malone
    -Hoff=02-Asllani

    That's 14/18 clubs
    no Plastic, Bayer, Frankfurt, Gladbach,

    so for kinda of a wasted opportunity. A lot more 04s should have been given chances.

    makes question if any direct breakthroughs to happen next season???
    -ignoring Adeyemi, Moukoko, Burkardt, Ngankam, Schade who already brokethrough.
    -Busch and Sanago ain't happening at current clubs without detours, neither clubs have II. Copado at Bayern hardest one from entire list. Hartwig going on loan. Baumgart at Koln not integration coach so Schmid likely needs to impress with 1st+II but 3 competiton could open door a tiny bit. Castelle is likely back up to injuries. Kastaranas depends on planning but likely will mainly play in II unless impresses so much that jumps directly. Bremen depends on not going on loan.......although moment Dinkci performs in 1BL might get Kuntz Turkey poaching, lol. Hertha boys hard to predict chances. Malone likely loan dumping....Asllani is more back up too assuming no loan.....and after constant injuries, I expect more II.

    That just leaves Mainz, guess will depend on preseason but again seem just more on list that will play U19-II and any chances based on injuries to others. Could see Weiper get handful of caps next season and get breakthrough following season.

    reality for CFs, injuries to others is usually only chance but otherwise its ALL detours of 2BL-RL+1st Abroad. 1BL loans will only happen if show a lot in limited chances.
     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    that's why being in 1BL for CFs=mostly waste of time.
    if you know will be forced to go on loaning better off in none-1BL Academies.

    -Gladbach has a supposedly promising 05-Arize. 03-Naderi and 03-Barata need to show more

    -Frankfurt have to see how 06-Aloui and 07-Souza dev. Don't expect anything from the u19 and for Frankfurt u19 1st choice CF is a Spaniard too.....

    -Bayer has nothing and that club struggling to lure German youth and mostly bringing in foreign these days.

    -Plastic, none will make it at that club.
    from U19, doubt 04-Kohl (did train with 1st during season) or 04-Freischlad will get anything real.
    from u17, Plastic Youth head, praised dev of 05-Kaufmann.....again won't matter

    At this point, Plastic will become another Bayer. Don't see many dumb enough to join in future. 0 making it......even post loan....

    One can see why nothing from these 4.
     
  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Austria's new keeper Christian Früchtl: "I'm not a copy of Manuel Neuer!"
    Steffen Hofmann, Stefan Maierhofer and now Christian Früchtl. The new Austria goalkeeper continues the list of players who played at least one competitive game for the big FC Bayern in this millennium and then signed on in the domestic Bundesliga. "The ten minutes on the last day of the game against Wolfsburg were something very special, I felt it was a great honor," says the 22-year-old, who will succeed Patrick Pentz at the Violets this summer. In an interview with bundesliga.at, the native of Lower Bavaria talks about…

    … his move from Munich to Vienna: “I quickly found an apartment and was here a week before training started. Lukas Mühl showed me the city and a few good restaurants. I not only know him from our year together at 1. FC Nürnberg, we also come from the same area. Vienna is a great city and I am really looking forward to the quality of life.”

    … the difficulty of the decision to leave FC Bayern: “It wasn’t really difficult – I want to play, advance my own career, that’s difficult at FC Bayern. You've got the world's best goalkeeper right under your nose there, so it's pretty difficult to get match practice. I hope it's different here."

    … his last year at Bayern: “I wanted to switch the summer before that, but an injury got in the way and I had to stay another year. In retrospect, however, it was good how it went. I was often in the squad because Sven Ulreich (note: the nominal number 2) was unfortunately injured, and Manu was also missing two or three games. The fact that I was allowed to celebrate my Bundesliga debut was a reward for my performances this season. I think I deserve this. In general, as far as my performance is concerned, I took another step forward and managed to constantly show what I can do.”

    … the new factor in Christian Früchtl: (laughs) “Others have to judge that. I trained with him every day for seven years, so of course you look at things and take them with you. It would be stupid if not... But I have my own style. It has often been written that I am the new Manuel Neuer. But I am Christian Früchtl and I want to be perceived as such. I'm not a Neuer copy."

    … his decision to switch to Austria: "It's just a great club! I had great conversations with those responsible around Manuel Ortlechner and it worked out right from the start. And it's a top league, we play internationally. You can show yourself differently than, for example, in the second division in Germany.”

    … David Alaba's role in the change: "I played with David at Bayern, my agent knows him well. Logically, I asked him what he would say about it. He's also part of the group of investors and knows the club very well. He said he would absolutely trust me with the task here.”

    … his CV as a Champions League winner and German champion without action: “You have to put that into perspective, of course I don’t go around saying I won the Champions League. But you still belong to the team and bring your performance, after all, it doesn't work without you either. It's similar to the physios or the other staff members. That's how I see my role too. I didn't win the Champions League, but I certainly played my part in the success. The two championship titles with the Bayern amateurs, when we first won the regional league and a year later the 3rd league, are something different. I can fully identify with these successes.”

    … his goals with Austria: “We want to be as successful as possible and don’t look for excuses about the double burden. The European Cup is a reward, the boys absolutely deserved it last year. The aim is for Austria Wien to be perceived positively, both nationally and internationally. And that qualifications for Europe are not the exception, but the rule.”
    https://www.bundesliga.at/de/redakt...----ich-bin-keine-kopie-von-manuel-neuer----/
     
  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    curious what Di Salvo does all indication is that 00 GK Fruchtl is #1 in Austrian Bundesliga club next season.....who also in Europe.

    only other options is to see if 00 GK Plogmann,00 GK Mantl, 00 GK Krahl and 02 GK Schreiber can become #1. Question Mark on next step for 01 GK Kasten.

    Shame Unbehaun to rot in 3rd Liga.....

    all others who are higher than 3rd Liga are bench GKs.
    been a lot of mention that 00 GK Philipp who is 1BL Hoff bench GK might go on loan.....

    with Dahmen still making 0 progress. It would bode well to see Fruchtl and min another breakthrough.....ideally Mantl manages to do it, would be another in Europe.

    Mantl issue is Salzburg thinks future #1 but feels like only if Kohn bails or if goes long term injury. So him at #1 might only happen in 2023....which isn't bad as Salzburg=play CL=boosts chance to go top league in next 2-3 years.

    but thing is if Fruchtl can perform than likely come 2024 could be in top 4 league. Or if he ends up #1 for U21 Euro, a very good tourney could fast track.
     
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    speaking of our 2nd 1BL bench GK, 01 GK Ramaj update. Has been injured for months. Made Good 1BL debut last season, should have had 2-3 caps if not for injury.

    Reassuring: Substitute goalkeeper Diant Ramaj (20) has been back in goal for the first time since January after his knee injury. Had to risk life and limb twice to avoid a goal. He is to represent Kevin Trapp in the first friendlies.
    https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...-muani-treffen-im-training-80542378.bild.html

    I'm NOT exciting about Ramaj.
    Yes promsing GK......but you know Kosovo would call him up to Senior at some point faster than we ever would.
     
  18. Why are clubs like Dortmund poaching Dutch talents, instead of developing/nurturing their own German youthplayers?
    I can't recall any player that followed this path made any impression and ended up in the Orange Squad, while at the same time wasting your own talents development track. So basically this MO focks both the Eredivisie and the BuLi by not letting talents blossom into players they could/should have become.
     
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  19. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    uh why????

    03 M Rhein extends at Bayern for 3 years and goes on Austrian Bundesliga loan next season.


    TORBEN RHEIN CHANGES FROM FC BAYERN MUNICH TO AUSTRIA ON LOAN
    Torben Rhein joins Austria on loan from FC Bayern Munich
    SC Austria Lustenau has signed Torben Rhein from Bayern Munich. The captain of the German U19 national team is moving to Ländle on loan for the coming season.
    Born in Berlin, he came from Hertha BSC Berlin to join FC Bayern Munich in 2017. With the German record champions, Rhein played in the Junior Bundesliga, the Regionalliga Bayern and the 3rd division. In addition, he was often part of the training operations of the professional team.

    To date, Rhein has played 28 games for the various German U-national teams and usually led the DFB selections onto the pitch as captain. In 2020, the green and white new signing behind Leverkusen's Florian Wirtz was awarded the silver Fritz Walter Medal as the second best U17 player in Germany. The central midfielder has extended his contract with FC Bayern Munich until 2025 and will now join Austria on loan next season.

    “I am very happy that the move to Lustenau worked out. The engagement at Austria is my first station outside of Germany. I made a conscious decision to take this step and I want to do my best to establish myself at a high level in the professional field. It's not long until the start of the Bundesliga and I can't wait to play in front of the fans in the Reichshofstadion," said Rhein.

    "We are very happy that Torben has decided to take the next step in his career with us. This loan is an example of our way of winning young, ambitious players with great potential for Austria and shows that we are developing into an interesting address for precisely such players. It's now about Torben constantly bringing his undisputed talent and qualities to the pitch to help us with the Bundesliga project," said sports coordinator Alexander Schneider.


    Bayern
    "We are delighted that Torben has extended his contract and committed himself to FC Bayern for another three years," said campus manager Jochen Sauer. Holger Seitz, sporting director of the FC Bayern campus: "We wish Torben every success for the coming season and will be watching his development in Austria's top division very closely."
     
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  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I know Rhein had 1 year extension option but why do almost all Bayern almost always extend instead of perm out???

    we know that in 2023 won't be any spots in Bayern 1st and will end up on a 2nd loan........don't see how constant loaning is good for any youth.

    I just hope he plays high level come 02-03 U21 cycle in 2023.

    German Youth in Austria 1st
    00-Kuhn, Mantl, Boller, Fruchtl, Martin
    03-Rhein, Berg
     
  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    because German sell for peanuts and Dortmund has become an International youth factory. Their priority is never Germans from Academy. They also pat themselves on back based on good youth work when promoting youth dev at other clubs, parody stuff.

    Zorc or Watzke, one of them admitted that reason why pros this Summer went for more Germans (not from Academy, talking about pros) is because they wanted too. Basically if they don't want to they don't go for Germans. Shows there is some lack of interest from this club towards domestic.

    A LOT of Dortmunc coaches and youth guys have called u17-u19=golden Gen and this was before all these youth transfers, (this Summer 2 Dutch), last Summer (Kamara, Coulibaly, Rijkhoff+Mane in Winter)....shows this club doesn't care about German youth and just pilling up foreign in all positions.

    Knauff (who is part of that)got shaft and went on to help Frankfurt win EL, LOL.

    I do think Dortmund want to extend Moukoko as they rate him. But also suspect that they want to renew as Moukoko bailing is a slap to face to credibility of their youth work.Imagine one of their greatest talents bails for lack of chances.....bad for image.
     
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  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -:ROFLMAO:
    Also that Finn is NOT homegrown, only at Frankfurt since 2020.

    Eintracht Frankfurt will have to cope with the loss of two homegrown players again. As the 'Bild' reports, Muhammed Damar (18) has already agreed to work with TSG Hoffenheim. He should pocket 22,000 euros per month there. Eintracht's transfer fee for the U19 playmaker is estimated at 500,000 euros.

    The loss of Luka Hyryläinen should bring in at least one million euros. The 'Bild' does not report where the 17-year-old defensive midfielder is going. According to the tabloid, the two A youth players did not agree that the newly committed Bayern talent Marcel Wenig (18) was brought directly to the professionals.
    https://www.fussballtransfers.com/a6940303667990507717-eintracht-zwei-talente-vor-dem-abflug

    -speaking of Hoff, 04 AM/W Leuze a super sub of Hoff U19 bailed and joined RL club instead of more U19.

    -00 CF Arp, contract with 2BL Kiel is near closing.
    https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...d-kiel-auf-der-zielgeraden-80569944.bild.html

    -Fantastic youth work at 2BL H96, dumping 01-Stehle, and 01-Walbrecht, 01-Gudra and now also 02-Ennali all following loan dump, 0 chances with new coach.

    2BL is funny place, they integrate 1BL youth loans but constantly screw own youth.
    https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...rainingslager-in-rotenburg-80569712.bild.html

    -DFB Coaching
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    Not huge on 3 year thing.
    Why because ALL coaches have bias. If they hate you or not rate you.....you risk ignoring for 3 fricking 3 years, LOL.

    THIS IS ALSO WHY YNT TENDS TO CALL UP SAME PLAYERS NONSTOP AS ITS SAME COACH, LMAO.

    "The three-year period enables our coaches to support, encourage and develop their respective U-national team and the entire year much more intensively," says Joti Chatzialexiou. The sporting director of the national teams works closely with Meikel Schönweitz, the head coach of the U-national teams. "We would like to enable the players, coaches and functional teams to work together more continuously. Our common goal is to train as many young players as possible at the top level and thus introduce them to the senior national team," says Schönweitz. He acts as the main contact person for all sporting matters relating to the youth teams.

    "Trio should unite three types of coaches"
    The DFB follows a clear concept when filling the coaching teams. Each youth national team should be led by a head coach and two assistant coaches. "This team of three should unite three types of trainers: the 'experience type', the 'innovation type' and the 'age specialist type'," explains Schönweitz.
     
  23. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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    They just wanna make as big a profit as possible, the thing is like you say a lot of the Dutch kids that come to the BL make zero career progress anyway. The Dutch LB Aning will block Rothe but if/when Dortmund pays 30m+ for Raum likely is Aning won’t get a lot of first team minutes over the next few seasons. Just play mainly 3.Liga. Would be far better staying at Ajax.

    How many Germans have come through the BVB academy and become established first team starters? Other then Reus and before that Schmelzer I can’t think of many over the last 10-15 years. And even Reus left and then came back. I mean tbh the vast majority of foreign kids they stockpile never make it either. Compare that with Ajax, who do actually integrate youth.
     
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  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Jan on Dortmund youth,
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    -on 04 GK Kirsch
    Marian Kirsch should (finally) be set in goal. I think he's more talented than Silas as he's a lot better footballer, great coordination and jumping technique which makes him tremendously strong on the line. Charisma is good, but not like Silas.
    Kirsch will be a great keeper, who hopefully could become a regular keeper in the U23 after the end of the U19.

    -on 05 GK Zacharias
    Zacharias is an incredibly cool guy, great at football, but unfortunately with far too much inconsistency on the line. Is also quite small with "only" 1.83

    -on 04 CB Collins......please Mane (and German-Italian Chiarodia) got 100% OWNED BY GERMANY U17, played a great U17 Euro, lol. He's been - towards Collins on comeback from injury and hyping Mane for ages.

    There is little to say about Collins. He has to finally catch himself mentally. Mane is a lot to trust. Also played a great U17 EM. Investments are brutal, but still needs to work on his risk assessment. Physically he has gained a lot. Is interesting for the professionals.

    -on 04 CB Husseck
    Jonah Husseck brings good game intelligence, consistency and base. Unfortunately, this absolute weapon is missing, so that he can get past Mane/Collins. But should be a very good rotation player, who could make it into the 2nd league in the long term. blank might work

    -on 06 CB Rahmann
    Luke Rahmann should still play in the U17s next season, but he was rightfully raised. He is an absolute bench defensively on the ground and in the air. Ok in terms of football, but unfortunately there is a lack of pace. But: Strong player. BuLi in the long term, but not at BVB.

    -on 04 LB Rothe, 04 RB/LB Mrosek and 05 RB Ubani
    There is little to say about Rothe. Technically and in terms of intelligence, Mrosek is an absolute weapon, but physically he is unfortunately at the U13 level and falls behind completely. Marlon Ubani could surprise next season even if he wshl. will never play in the first at BVB.

    Ubani is physically very far, fast, but still technically adept. A real cheat code at youth level, even if it still has to be laid defensively in the structure. Good in tight spaces, but not good enough for BVB in the long term. But will replace Semic well.

    -04 DM/CB Cisse and 05 DM/LB Korzynietz
    Cisse will make another jump and take on the Lütke-Frie role a bit. Anchor in the system, totally important, but unfortunately not this incredible potential. Could even play U23 imo.

    Similar Korzynietz: Calm, intelligent, physical, but nothing earth-shattering.

    -on 04 M Walz and 05 M Lubach
    I think both of Walz and Lubach are capable of a lot at youth level. I've always liked Walz, but I'll finally have to lay down physically. Mixture of intensity and technique is exciting, but will probably not be enough for the first team.

    Lubach is almost 1:1 the same, only that he has a little less intense than Walz and therefore more points in terms of creativity and technique. Good 2nd league/lower BuLi player in the long term. Similar to waltz.

    Lenninghaus is negligible. Schiano and Ludwig are ok.
    Both are great to look at, technically good, lively, but will not get beyond the
    role of the rotary player here.

    -on 04 AM Simic.....already hyping him highly???
    Simic will be a difference player. Physically, technically strong, creative, good standards... Could be with the pros, but will definitely show up under 23 soon.

    -05 W Onofrietti (poached by Italy)
    In the long term, however, not interesting for the top of the first group. Onofrietti is early developed, solid, but I don't find him exciting because of the lack of dynamics and then insufficient creativity/technique.

    -04 W Mengot
    Mengot could surprise, but finally has to play.
    Mengot could also act as a striker. Thuram, but only as a left foot. Physically brutal, great technique, flair, power, finish... Like him, even if it won't be enough for the first one here either.

    -on 04 W Bamba
    Bamba could be a difference player, but he needs to stay fit.I could also imagine him in a storm. Unfortunately, injuries are getting in the way. Otherwise one for the professionals.

    -04 CF/W Nwachukwu
    Nwachukwu had had a year to forget. Physique, speed, intelligence, finishing and basic technique is exciting, but he has to play!

    -on 06 attacker Konig
    Raul König will have to fight for his place, but should get his minutes - because he can play anything. Physically wide, lively, good at dribbling, both feet, solid finish, fast... Brutal player, brutal skillset. It will be exciting for the pros.

    -on 06 LB Kabar
    Ah and Kabar: Probably still U17 next season, but could move up in the thinly manned AV situation. Physically brutal, extremely fast, technically strong, but still needs to improve in terms of game intelligence (defensive) and flank technique. Will there be something for the professionals if necessary.
     
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think he has interesting insights but tends to
    1-obsess over HUGE talents so tends to put down ones who aren't
    2-negative very quickly
    3-he was - towards Knauff for longest time
    4-said Tauer isn't 1BL level......and list goes on about his -.

    there really is a HUGE obsession with world class/ Elite/top talents in German footy. So a LOT of - on ones who aren't.

    PS Top talent=1st prospect at Club X or Y. But most don't get that.

    its simple to say Lutke-Frie, Walz, Cisse, Lubach have no Dortmund 1st chances.

    LOL, that obsession with HUGE
    "Anchor in the system, totally important, but unfortunately not this incredible potential."

    most DMs aren't anything WOW or Flashy, its them doing their jobs that matters.

    Also who says these guys and Raschl can't end up in non-Bayern, Dortmund, Leipizg, Bayer???

    its funny that its ALWAYS bottom 1BL for everything and never mid-table, outside top clubs. A Raschl on Winter 2022 transfer was a + for a bottom 1BL club last season and it was his 1st 1BL try. Of course club went down but nothing says won't jump to mid-table on 1BL return.

    And with Dortmund II in 3rd Liga one can only go upwards.
     
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