Rebuilding The Azzurri for Euro 2024 and beyond

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by indestructible, Mar 26, 2022.

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  1. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
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    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Gatti needs to get loaned out to a Serie A team where he’s guaranteed a starter spot. This is a non negotiable. You know that Allegri won’t play him regularly. I suggest either one of the promoted sides, or Salernitana.
     
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  2. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
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  3. Alex101

    Alex101 Member

    Mar 15, 2017
    Scamacca had a bad game and he gets the immobile treatment, Tamy Abraham did f all today too, he was praised all season long.
     
  4. nunzio23

    nunzio23 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 16, 2021
    #554 nunzio23, Jun 12, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2022
    I echo these sentiments exactly. I'm not a big Pessina fan and there are about 5 other midfielders I would go with before he starts an Azzurri game right now but the guy was an animal today. Yes he's not the most technically skilled but that work rate was phenomenal.

    People can rag on Scamacca for missing his one chance and yes he should have at least put that on goal but he links up play very well and tracks back defensively. His skill is underrated imo but he needs to be more aggressive against those crosses. We can say what we want about Immobile but he would have buried one of those chances today. Scamacca just needs to have that absolute striker's hunger for goal.

    I too was disappointed for Espoisto..he's clearly not ready for this level but at least Mancini has shown faith in him. That;s not to say he cannot get to this level either...same for Cancielleri who I thought looked overmatched against Germany. These guys need time at Serie A and European football if possible. On contrast Gatti looked pretty damn comfortable as he grew into the game making several headed clearances and dealing with the English press all night. His positioning was a little suspect on the biggest English chance where Sterling fluffed it but i thought overall he looked like a good CB prospect. He needs to play a ton next year in Serie A wheteher at Juve or on loan. Hell he should be playing for Juve over Rugani imo

    Pellegrini is an absolute must in this lineup but would prefer him to play is Roma role in the middle behind the strikers. He creates so many great chances. Locatelli looked like the Loca from last years Euros. An absolute gem of a long ball that nearly lead to Tonali's goal. Our midfield is absolutely loaded right now even if Jorginho never plays again (although I think Veratti should still be in the setup)

    All in all I can't be dissapinted i this game other than missing out on Tonali's goal ..we really should have one that game with our B squad. This just shows me again that Mancini is the right coach for this job. If not for two flubbed PK's we would be talking about him like he was Sacchi or Lippi (2006 Lippi) The truth is he has an incredible record and we are almost never outclassed in a game.
     
  5. nunzio23

    nunzio23 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 16, 2021
    Scamacca is Italy's best striking prospect in a long time. Big strong, skilled great with hold up and linking. Just needs a little more hunger for goal. I think he will get there.
     
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  6. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
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  7. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
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    Italy
    Pessina at his best when he’s in the 3/4’s. When you put him in the midfield he’s completely average.
     
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  8. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Dec 30, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    AC Milan
    #558 Nek Sanalet, Jun 12, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2022
    It's amazing that people here and on Football Italia want Pessina off the team. We are talking about a guy who is just 25 years old and can clearly bring something both nationally and domestically to Italy. His work rate and tenacity are much needed.

    The same thing when I hear people say Berardi should not be on this team as well (or Cristante). I watched a decent amount of Sassuolo this year, and Scamacca can thank Domenico for more than half his goals. Service is important. And Berardi and Scamacca playing together is something I'm sure Mancini will explore.

    Italy fans are hilarious. A player that has a great domestic season but has one bad game for the Azzurri should be banished forever...then a young player who plays ten good minutes in a glorified friendly should start every game. Some of the opinions/criticism on this board and elsewhere are so absurd.
     
  9. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
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    Italy
    Yeah I would agree that sometimes the level of criticism is harsh and very low IQ. I don't get the guys that are committed to being super down on one player only for him to turn around and have a breakthrough. Tonali is a great example (not just on this board but in Italian youtube as well.) When he was at Brescia everyone wanted him. Juve and Inter fans threw a party when he flopped in his first season at Milan. "Scarce. Overvalued. Overrated. Thank god we didn't sign him." etc etc. Then a year later he becomes arguably the best Italian midfielder on the Scudetto winning team and I don't hear these criticisms anymore. I don't get the harshness on Scamacca either. Of course he needs to be better in the 18, but there is room for growth. But some people are expecting a goal every time the ball touches his foot.

    On the subject of Pessina, he has a reputation of being this joker card that you can insert anywhere but I find this to be incorrect. His best actions in his career came playing behind the striker. He was playing in the front 3 due to necessity. But for a pure mid, we have better mids. As a winger, we have better wingers. I would keep him on the roster as a sub in the event that we need to change the shape.
     
  10. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    I've been busy but I have a few remarks on players being brought up:

    1. Scamacca does have a lot of talent and physical tools. He doesn't always seem the strongest mentally to me and he needs to work a lot more on his left foot. I'm not sold on him yet, but I'm not throwing him out either.

    2. Pessina is an excellent and VERY smart player. He's the type of player every team needs. Sure, he is not a winger. But he can definitely play central midfield and yes he does excel at making box to box runs.

    3. Gianluca Mancini is disappointing to me. Someone earlier said it best...he can be amazing for 85 minutes but then he has brain farts at some point in the game. He does this at Roma all the time. It's very costly at times. The great defenders of the game are more consistent than this, and until he cleans those mistakes up, he's not going to get to the elite level.

    Kudos to Mancini for turning this around and rolling the dice. He really didn't have a lot to lose, and so he's taking chances and playing younger players (even Serie B or other leagues). He's basically raising his middle finger to Serie A clubs and saying Fck It! If you don't scout properly and give talent a chance, I will. For that, he deserves a lot of credit despite his terrible managing during qualifying.
     
  11. azzurri06

    azzurri06 Member

    Apr 4, 2007
    san francisco
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    I have liked what Scamacca has brought to the team with his hold up/link up play and his general fight without a bunch of drama/theatrics. But two things make me nervous about him. He has a habit of doing these blind floating balls to switch the side of play; inevitably some of these will be intercepted by the opponent and create dangerous counter attacks. The second is he does not have a left foot. Honestly I've never seen any player that has reached his level and not have the ability to play with both feet. When defenders figure this out, he will be defended accordingly which will reduce his attacking ability. Not giving up on him, but I was pretty disappointed when I realized he has no left foot.

    I was ready to drop Pessina as his recent performances were really poor, but I thought he looked really strong against England. But he showed his psychological weakness when he did not take a shot when given acres of space at the top of the box. I believe he got in his own head about shooting again since he previously had shot 3-4 times without scoring that game.
     
  12. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Yup, Scamacca has no left foot at all. It is odd at this level because he's immensely talented otherwise (with his head and right foot). I tell my 12 yr old son all the time...practice practice practice with your left foot. You have to be able to use it or they will neutralize you
     
  13. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
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    Italy
    Normally I would be stoked for an Italy v. Germany even if it's a friendly, but I could not give a shit about this game at all
     
  14. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    I'm hearing either a 3-4-3 or a 4-3-3 tonight.

    Donnarumma; Luiz Felipe, G. Mancini, Bastoni; Calabria, Barella, Cristante, Spinazzola; Politano, Raspadori, Gnonto.

    I'm not a big fan of a 3-4-3 tonight and I'm not a bit believer in Felipe. G. Mancini makes too many mistakes as we've talked about before. That 3-4-3 basically has 5 defenders and 2 holding midfielders. It's asking the front 3 to do all the work. I feel like it would give up too much possession.

    I'd rather have

    -------Politano Raspa Gnonto
    -------Barella Cristante Frattesi
    Spina Mancini Bastoni Calabria
    ------------Donnarumma

    Raspa as the false nine in a 4-3-3 will be interesting to watch too.
     
  15. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    That's because no one gives a shit about it in Italy either. The game articles were so far down on the Gazzetta homepage that I had to scroll down below basketball. I still think it's important because getting young players time against elite competition a) is huge for their development and b) puts them in the spotlight for summer acquisitions to bigger clubs which is huge for their future as well.
     
  16. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Dec 30, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Pellegrini should be starting.
     
  17. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
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    SSC Napoli
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    Italy
    4 Friendlies in quick succession and we just played Germany. This Nations league scheduling has been a disaster.

    Also if Mancini really wants to be brave, he could have started Scalvini, Zerbin or Cancellieri. The only true experimental player in this 11 is Gnonto. Everyone else is already a regular. Frattesi should have been a regular by now.

    Also He called up 4 goalkeepers but Donnarumma has played every game. Why not roll the dice with Meret or Cragno for one match?
     
  18. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Felipe over Scalvini? why
     
  19. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Donnarumma
    Calabria
    Mancini
    Bastoni
    Spinazzola
    Frattesi
    Cristante
    Barella
    Politano
    Raspadori
    Gnonto

    Looks like Mancini is after a win here, not a bad lineup. I'd like to see Gatti again honestly.
     
  20. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Commentators off to a good start "it's been 10 years since Italy last beat Germany"...wtf, so when was the last time Germany beat Italy then ass face? Penalties don't count, game technically still ends in a tie.
     
  21. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Down already
     
  22. FireTrapatoni

    FireTrapatoni Member+

    AS Roma
    Italy
    Jun 17, 2004
    This match will further illustrate how bad England is and how far we have fallen.
     
  23. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member

    Mar 29, 2015
    Sassuolo!
     
  24. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member

    Mar 29, 2015
    I expect us to lose 3-0 or 4-0. On the road, confidence is still relatively low, 5th game in what...basically 2 weeks. I think we get lapped in this game and then September is a scramble to avoid relegation
     
  25. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member

    Mar 29, 2015
    oh God not Meret. I'd rather have us hang Buffon's cadaver from the crossbar than put in Meret.

    Carnesecchi and Plizarri for the national team, please.
     

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