Bad stories

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Law5, Oct 27, 2021.

  1. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you talk at halftime about any of these possible offenses that happened in the first half? Maybe try to offer some guidance or suggestions.
     
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  2. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    The majority of female referees in our area are the typical teenage girls who do it just because they play and never do centers. There are a few regional mid-20s female refs from our area and our region's referee admins do "FEMALE REFEREE TRAINING" courses led by them. Refereeing is a pretty sad state of affairs for women taking it seriously so I think they latch onto ones who actually want to try.

    Didn't get 6 matches. The guy I carpooled with and I only got three matches, both got the 2 ARs and a 4O. I wasn't gonna complain to the assignor, last thing I need is him getting angry at me.

    There was no point to offering suggestions or guidance. First of all, the other AR is a regional so I'm not saying anything with him there. And second, those two (her and the regional) were too busy speaking in Spanish to each other during all breaks to do anything else anyway. The guy I went up with was telling me how pissed off he gets when a crew he's on speak Spanish amongst each other and we feel excluded. Don't mean to single out Spanish speakers, it's the second most common language in our area.
     
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  3. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Also today I an NSL (national soccer league adult men's semi-pro) match as an AR. Heated match between two Hispanic teams. Luckily the center was a regional and spoke Spanish, yet he almost lost control of the game due to allowing too much to go. Allowed so much that both coaches came to him at halftime asking him to tighten the game up.

    I am starting to lose count of how many regional referees I watch nearly lose control of a game by not calling enough fouls. It is absolutely astounding. It's like this is a part of regional referee training or something, just don't call fouls, let games nearly fall apart, then in order to pull it off the ledge you have to act demonstrative and like a military general to prove your game management or something.
     
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  4. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    I was assessing a game today, referee seeking upgrade to Regional. Anglo v Hispanic, down the table v. undefeated, respectively, just all of the things that fit the stereotype of a game that could go sideways.

    The referee did not pick up on, did not deal with small pushes in the back by the Anglo team early in the game. Things heated up from there. My impression was that the referee was afraid to call fouls and give cards, which led to a lot of fouls and more than a handful of cautions, with two or three scuffles between multiple players. The game ended with a second caution red to a player on the previously undefeated team. Just a sour experience for both teams and a referee wondering what just happened. This did not need to happen if the referee had dealt with stuff early.
     
  5. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I had a U19 match last night, in a “friendly” Cup-Like competition where the loser was out and their youth careers over. (Never a good starting point!). I called the first foul 20 seconds into the match even though a quasi advantage could have been played because I needed that foul to set my bar. It worked. I still had 5 cautions, but they were all legit, three first half, and two in the second. Only 2 were confrontational (hard foul, and then a push in the chest). Two for SPA, and one for waterskiing on an opponents jersey as he crossed mid field. Went to penalties and ended 8-7.
     
  6. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    Sounds like one of those games where you get to the end of the game with your adrenalin pumping and you're thinking "This is why I referee!"
     
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  7. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I had a blast! I was talking to the home team at halftime and that’s when I realized it might be their last game together. Most are playing in college, but none on same team. I felt great, I read the play well, and was there when needed. I got beat only once on a counter! Not bad when they have about 48 years on me!
     
  8. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Its amazing when two teams can be competent and predictable. Makes refereeing so much easier.

    June is the month around here where the older, less talented teams finish up their season and you wonder whether you should kill yourself running to the 'predicted' play or wait and react on the odd chance that there may be some skill and a play will be successful. My joints are aching from this night after night. One more week to go.
     
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  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Referee Forum
    José Arnoldo Amaya was murdered whilst refereeing in El Salvador after showing a player his second yellow card.
    "The Salvadoran Football Federation (FESFUT) has confirmed the death at the Zacamil Hospital: “As a Federation we repudiate all acts of violence that are being generated in the different sports scenarios of the country”.
    With more than two decades of experience, José was attacked after a controversy which ended with an expulsion for a double yellow card. That action led to a pitched battle where the referee was beaten to death.
    The National Association of Soccer Referees of El Salvador (AAFES) has communicated that “As a Federation we repudiate what happened to referee José Arnoldo Amaya, and we trust that the authorities can find those responsible for taking the life of the referee.”

    https://en.as.com/soccer/referee-beaten-to-death-in-football-match-in-el-salvador-n/
     
  10. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    https://www.cbssports.com/general/n...sucker-punch-during-tournament-in-new-jersey/

    Assaulting a sports official, assaulting an elderly person causing great bodily harm. If this guy doesn't get sued for all he's worth and end up in jail for years, this is a broken system
     
  11. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  12. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Whenever a story about some sort of referee abuse (verbal or physical) in youth sports pops up online, the thread is usually full of people saying how terrible it is, how people are animals, lots of comments from people talking about the abuse they faced when they refereed a sport that made them quit. However, whenever something comes up about professional referee abuse, suddenly everyone flips 180 degrees and suddenly ganging up on the referee is the proper thing to do

    The story I posted above was in the baseball reddit and like 1000 comments of users saying the above when they tried to officiate youth sports. Today, a team's hitting coach got a 5 game suspension because he confronted and made threatening physical contact to an umpire pregame a game after he was at home plate and had a very bad night, something like only 65% strike accuracy. He was clearly deliberately brought out to give the game card so that he could be there to verbally and potentially physically abuse the umpire and get ejected so the manager didn't have to. Of course, the comments were full of saying how umpires are snowflakes now, he deserved the abuse for having a crap game, completely uninformed claims that umpires (and referees) who perform poorly "face no punishment" (because they don't realize that the assignments they get in the future are their rewards/punishments), etc.
     
  14. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whenever I hear someone say that an official “deserves the abuse” for a bad game, I respond with a single comment that shuts them up.

    “So when you have a bad day at your work, I assume it’s OK for someone to come in to verbally and physically abuse you for it. Because that’s exactly what you are condoning with your comment.”

    Crickets after that.
     
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  15. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Definitely a tool to be used with care, but if for example at a U10 game I stop the game to actively, directly and brusquely address a douchebag, and say we are done with that and his job is to cheer his kid, that's usually the end of it. I don't love going after somebody in a public setting, but I don't want to be a punching-bag either. Obviously this approach is not always available, let alone advisable.
     
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  16. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    As it came up again in the comments from the above story the easy solution is to have a Robot behind the plate. A great idea as it would end all controversy as has been proven with VAR! :rolleyes:
     
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  17. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    I look at my phone earlier tonight and I see two missed calls from my assignor. I call him back and he asks if I can do a game. Okay, I say. Turns out it was a NPSL game and one of the AR's had gotten injured earlier that day. So I'm AR2 and for the first 75 minutes or so I could've put this in the best stories thread. Then the chippiness increases, a few injuries, subs taking forever (I think the max is 7 per team) and we're looking at six minutes of stoppage time in a one-goal game. Losing team player gets red for a 2CT, I think we're at five yellows for the losing team and three for the winning team when the final whistle blows. Losing team's GK is furious, he curses out the CR (dropping an mf-bomb), gets red carded, is chest-to-chest with the CR, gets pulled away by his coaches, then comes back later as we're filling out paperwork (unfortunately there's no ref locker room at this stadium, just a covered area away from one of the corners of the field) and tells the CR, "Catch me outside" and drops some more mf-bombs.

    So that was fun, I guess.
     
  18. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    oh NPSL never change… this is standard for this league. Nothing going on for 85 mins then 4 yellows and a red.
     
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  19. DefRef

    DefRef Member

    Jul 3, 2017
    Storrs CT
    I know nothing about NPSL, but if I was reffing that game, I would be all over my assignor for getting that coach punished with a long term suspension. And if I was the assignor, I would be coming down on the league/club for same punishment. And I would like to think (never actually had to do this) that I would refuse to assign future games for that club if they did not.

    For better or worse, in our area, if refs put in a complaint, coaches are forced to jump through all kinds of hoops to get back on the field. And I have seen situations where the coaches real jobs could have been affected (teachers, govt) if they got formally banned. So, this seems to have resulted in less outbreaks of the MFing type.

    The problem I run into is that refs don't actually put in the written complaints. They just talk about it. Which makes it hard to punish the offenders.
     
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  20. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    the coach wasn’t acting up. It was the player.

    as long as the referee writes up his supplemental report Paul Scott and Co. will take care of it.

    not cool the player was chest to chest and no referee liaison.
     
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  21. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    Don’t worry, CR is definitely writing the reports and the player is probably going to be in some serious trouble. I’m not faulting the home (losing) club either, there was a liaison who was very helpful and if the keeper runs straight up to the CR right after the final whistle there’s not much that anyone else can do.
     
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  22. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Sucks to learn that somebody with a lot less experience ends up getting 3x as many games as people with a lot more experience - in their first season on top of that - because they became friends with the assignor. Oh well, such is a life.
     
  23. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    That's what I plan to avoid when I assign state league games for the first time this fall. Giving myself the best games is already out of the question. At 300+ lbs. I avoid full size field centers like the plague. But am I wrong to give more games to those who set their availability and don't regularly decline games?
     
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  24. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    No, that is absolutely acceptable, normal and I would say expected. It's just the completely non-referee considerations should not come into play and I know you won't let them.
     
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  25. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Nice! How'd that come about? And what part?

    We have an assignor here who assigns himself all the best ECNL/NPL middles. It's tiresome because opportunities are hard enough to come by as it is. @voiceoflg most likely knows who I'm talking about...
     
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