He’s not playing at a WC level as a RW when he could be as a CM. That’s the point. Asking Fede to beat players for pace in 1v1 setting on the RW like a traditional winger is not his skill set. What was making him stand out was his work rate to drop deep, cover defensively for Kroos and then bust forward for ball progression to get to Benz/Vinny. It’s also noticeable that we suffered offensively when Fede is on the wing. Imagine a world where we have A RW (Rodrgyo) with Fede, Modric and TM/Camavinga. That is much more appealing and good enough for any big matches.
Of course they will, some of the main ones moaning about making our team faster and stronger in the middle now have a different set of issues they want to moan about as soon as the club has addressed the very issue they complained about all season long, astonishing but not surprising Some posters made sense when discussing the need for our midfield to change and some just............ posted I think maybe you should have a read of it again first
I didn’t want us to spend big on him. I thought we could find better value elsewhere, but in all honesty, in the larger scheme of things, we are still spending very carefully. We got very good deal in Camavinga and we got two free agents who are at the peak of the careers in Alaba and Rudiger. This gives us the room to overspend, selectively. Hopefully he gets enough minutes next season. We need to rotate heavily: a. To keep everyone happy; and b. To accommodate having tired legs from the stupid world cup in November.
Well, you thought some kind of rotation was possible between Benz, Haaland and we could afford signing Mbappe and Haaland as well. Turns out Mbappe itself was unaffordable for us vs Qatar offer. Tcho transfer fee is 80 M plus variables for now. We are paying transfer fee believing he will be our starting DM for a decade. Simple as.
Even our free transfers aren't free. We paid around €30-40M for Alaba. I believe somewhere around that number as well for Rudigier. This is just what this market has morphed into and specifically because of the oil state clubs.
Imagine how good is Tchouaméni that teams with Casemiro & Fabinho in their squads (i.e. the teams that 'needed him least') sought to sign him. He is more than a 6 too. I can already imagine games where he starts as an 8 and then Camavinga comes on for Casemiro and Aurelien just shifts deeper. Imagine the chemistry between the two Frenchmen when they start playing every club and country match together.
Sometimes I think we as people just look for anything negative. I mean this same forum was balking at signing Halaand for his buyout which ended up being under €75M and refused the idea of the bonuses and agent fees that raised his cost to just over €100M. That is a bargain in this market. Yet again the same negative narratives.
📸 | Tchouameni account before and after joining Real Madrid 🔥 pic.twitter.com/wESHWfuM5j— Real Madrid Pictures That Go Hard (@RMadridPix) June 11, 2022
I'm not sure why some people are like this. We have signed what is generally considered the greatest CDM/CM prospect in the business (I see Jude as a CM with more attacking prowess). Liverpool – a club that scouts very carefully and generally spend wisely – were very interested in him; that helps drive the price up. Then PSG – a state funded club – showed serious interest and made him a priority for their new project, which made the signing even more difficult. At the end of the day, our management secured his signing and, consequently, addressed a serious weakness in the squad. That is good news in my book and, in any case, not bad news. Sure, you can have reservations. But don't be silly about it. 80 + 20 is a serious fee, but that is simply the price you pay for the best of the 'best prospect' category. And that category is what Real Madrid is typically after. And just as a small reminder. We paid 45M for a 16 year old Vinicius (and similar money for Rodrygo). Those were much more 'controversial' deals, but look at who's laughing now...
Yes, it was possible as we could have had different tactical approaches and Benz had no back up. If TM is going to be a starter on day 1, who’s he playing with and who is on the bench?
So many shades thrown at Mbappe by Marca in their Tcho article https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2022/06/11/62a4dafd46163fa2888b4601.html
🚨🎖| Aurelien Tchouameni’s transfer is €80m guaranteed + €20m add-ons. €10m of the add-ons are easily achievable while the other €10m are difficult add-ons, like a top 3 Balon d’Or spot. @MarioCortegana— Madrid Xtra (@MadridXtra) June 11, 2022
I think the entire KCM will play a lot less next year so Tchouameni comes at a good time. Now bring in a right winger/striker that can contribute goals and I think the team is ready.
Hefty sum for a 22. We got screwed last time we paid 100+, and that was for a proven player. Never saw the guy play, but I'll take with open arms all the enthusiasm I see from people who did saw him play and know about football alot more than I do Good luck and good speed touche!
You know what I love the most about Aurelien Tchouameni? He is such a fan of Real Madrid. Like you can just tell how psyched he is to be at the club, and it was obvious from as early as the Chelsea matches that he was begging to go to the Bernabeu.Very happy to have him.— The Real Champs (@TheRealChampsFS) June 12, 2022 you know how happy he is when this happen🤍 pic.twitter.com/F9MBbFHEhO— Eze 🤨 (@arkaivvv) June 12, 2022
Great post. Fully agree with you. I’ll add one more thing. People are acting like we could have just waited to let Tchouameni go and prove himself in the EPL or get imprisoned at PSG so we could be “sure” of the signing or when Casemiro would have left. Smh. He would not be available to us probably ever (if he balls out) after he left the French league. Here’s the reality, the fee is 80M + 10M easy objectives and 10M very difficult objectives. So the player is going to cost us 90M. The price is high because: Along with Camavinga and Bellingham he is the top midfield talent emerging in the last few seasons. His defensive stats are out of this world and he’s still improving. Perfect profile for a Casemiro replacement. This could very well be like us going from RC to Marcelo. We had to fight Liverpool and PSG to sign him which raised the fee from a possible 60M + 20M variables to 90M. Huge difference right? We actually stood steadfast with our offer of 80M for weeks even under huge pressure being applied. We didn’t just keep upping our offer every time Monaco called. These prices are the new (not that new) reality of football business where certain clubs are state owned with almost unlimited funds.
Great point. People just either don’t want to look at the full picture or can’t. If he had signed for Liverpool the same folks would be ripping match threads apart in September frothing about KCM (like they/we did this last season) while praising Liverpool for being proactive and smart and a well run club.
Yup. You’ve been very high on him for a while now and said he was an unmissable prospect. The same way ZO5 and YS and others were very high on Camavinga last year. I think we’ve done the hard part of assembling the core of the next midfield post KCM while also having the flexibility to mix and match these kids with KCM while they are still here. Just cannot say enough good things about our management with the way we are re-tooling. If we would have signed Halaand…. we truly would have the core of the next squad already in place. But Alas. We’ll find someone else hopefully someone catches the eye at the World Cup.
it's as simple as this IMO, don't get all the hullabuloo about the price This is absolutely my feeling as well, IMO all three of them won't be automatic starters next season, they will share mins with the younger brigade as they blend in, lets see if we are correct Agreed, pretty straightforward IMO All of this, rather than now moaning about "oh Fede, what are we going to do", IMO Fede will be just fine, we will transition more from the older players and we now have tremendous depth and quality in the much maligned midfield area, as most (some?) posters agree the only other player i'd like to add in time is Jude, but that may just be a dream
every position in midfiled is now well covered ,the first time Tcouameni,Camavinga and Fede start together will be special
I don't really see the parralels between Tchouameni - Casemiro situation and Roberto Carlos - Marcelo one. Marcelo was brought in by Clownderon for 6.5 million from Fluminense. And even though Clownderon hailed him as a direct replacement for RC (meaning he would "study" under RC for the last year on RC's contract) Marcelo only played a handful of minutes that first year under Capello. In fact, he was supposed to play in Castilla that first year but Capello thought he'd benefit more by learning directly from the senior team so he took him to the bench. That was la liga de los remontadas and Carlos left for Fenerbahce afterwards. Next year Schuster came in and brought Drenthe and Heinze for the left back position. Marcelo started more matches towards the end of the season, slowly making progress. Then Juande Ramos came in and started playing him at left mindfielder/winger position cause Marcelo was absolutely terrible defensively. Unfortunately he played in that infamous 2-6 debacle loss to Barca at the Bernabeu, and off the top of my head he was almost singlehandedly responsible for 3 of their goals, leaving tons of spaces behind him with poor positioning and man marking. It's only under Pellegrini that Marcelo finally started to play up to his abilities. Tons of assists going forward and much more sound (although still prone to errors) defensively. The Marcelo we all know and love truly only happened when Mourinho came in and brought Coentrao the year later. It was a mix of that competition along with Mou's tendency to tighten his defence that made Marcelo an absolute unit. So when we compare Marcelo - Roberto Carlos situation to that of Tchouameni - Casemiro, there's almost no comparison whatsoever. I have not seen a lot of Tchouameni, but he is already considered to be a total unit in the midfield, a generational talent, and he comes in for 80+20 mil. The stats, although in League 1, are already insane and he's already playing for his national team. Tchouameni is not coming in to warm the bench. If Tchou is worth this money, one of our KCM vets will feel annoyed/surprised by the sudden drop in minutes this season. This brings me to Casemiro. Casemiro has been a mixed bag for me this year, and maybe longer than that. He's not terrible by any means but he hasn't really played often as well as he can. Often times he gets lazy on the ball, daydreaming and making passes too late or simply getting the ball robbed off him. He still has the ability to turn it on, but it's precisely because of that that I'm annoyed by him getting lazy. Perhaps Tchouameni comes in this year and takes a big chunk out of Case's or Kroos' minutes, or he lights a fire under Case's ass and we unlock a legendary beast Casmiro mode. Whatever the case may be, Casemiro has a contract until 2025. There were some rumours mentioning possible Juve or Chelsea interest as well but I think it would be dumb to sell Casemiro now, and I think the Club is not even considering it. It'll come down to how good Tchou actually turns out to be I guess, and what Carlo prefers.
I sae him play against Austria and he did not look good. Mind you, only game I've ever watched of him. Anybody have a good idea of his abilities