Rank the USMNT forwards

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by xbhaskarx, May 19, 2022.

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The 4 strikers on a 26-man WC22 roster:

Poll closed Aug 19, 2022.
  1. Jesus Ferreira

    58 vote(s)
    80.6%
  2. Ricardo Pepi

    49 vote(s)
    68.1%
  3. Gyasi Zardes

    4 vote(s)
    5.6%
  4. Jordan Pefok

    23 vote(s)
    31.9%
  5. Josh Sargent

    29 vote(s)
    40.3%
  6. Matthew Hoppe

    5 vote(s)
    6.9%
  7. Daryl Dike

    20 vote(s)
    27.8%
  8. Haji Wright

    27 vote(s)
    37.5%
  9. Nicholas Gioacchini

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  10. Brandon Vazquez

    9 vote(s)
    12.5%
  11. Jeremy Ebobisse

    3 vote(s)
    4.2%
  12. Malik Tillman

    8 vote(s)
    11.1%
  13. Cade Cowell

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Miguel Berry

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Brian White

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  16. Mason Toye

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  17. Sebastian Soto

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  18. Jozy Altidore (you are Bruce Arena)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  19. Tim Weah or Jordan Morris (not as one of the wingers)

    18 vote(s)
    25.0%
  20. Folarin Balogun (switch to US)

    7 vote(s)
    9.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    My ranking will depend upon fall performance by the guys in Europe (b/c speed of play). If they all suck, I'd play none of them as starter and take Fereira and Sarge because of Sarge's versatility and because presumably Fereira will be scoring. If any of them is scoring (Dike, Haji, Sarge, Hoppe, Pepi), I'd take them -- up to 2 max.
     
  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    No contact with Jebo is kinda sketchy.
     
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  3. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's just starting on a scoring tear. We've seen with Pefok that doesn't always translate. I think now since no one is making a scoring case I'd go with the best at pressuring - Ferreira, Sargent and Pepi.
     
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  4. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Ebobisse has hit double digits in scoring before. He can play both wings. He has started in MLS Cup. He's a better fit than someone like Pefok.

    And he's left-footed. He's good at set-pieces. It's just odd there's been so little contact.
     
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  5. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    A very dignified answer. Good for him.
     
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  6. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He did get called into January camp in 2019 and 2021, but for whatever reason Berhalter doesn't seem to rate him.

    His only path is probably to score so many goals that he can't be ignored. I don't know what that number is though.
     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Update: it finished 2-2 with Zardes not scoring (for either side unlike in qualifying)

     
  8. gtrower

    gtrower Member

    Jul 14, 2014
    Club:
    DC United
    Ferreira against defensive teams (Wales).

    Pepi against possession teams (England).

    Dike / Wright / Pefok if we need one late.

    Weah if we could teleport and actually try the experiment when we could have.
     
  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Berhalter had stated Vazquez was getting close. Given that, and given the Ebobisse situation, the ability to press could be the big differentiator going forward.

    player(presssures per 90 percentile)
    Ebobisse(13% :( )
    Vazquez(86%)
    Pepi(99% :alien: )
    Ferreira(84%)
    Sargent(80%)
    Dike(29%)

    I'm zeroing in on Vazquez, Pepi, Sargent, and Ferreira. Hopefully, one of the bigger forwards of the group breaks through.
     
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  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great find. I think you've nailed it. Unless a forward scores so much they're irreplaceable at least using pressing forwards keeps a form of continuity to the team. I've heard coaches say defense starts at the tip of the spear. Having a forward that doesn't press while the rest of the team does causes an outlet to always be open to break the press.
     
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  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Unfortunately, McBride was the last striker who could score at the major tournament level.
     
  12. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I wonder what Wes could do as a traditional 9?
     
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  13. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    To learn that he is actually 5'10 and not 6'1"? And that physicality of CBs are on another level.
     
  14. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wow…… that is horribly disappointing but not surprising. What a god awful message to send to the pool at this juncture. Door should be open to make the team til the roster of 23……. Including those who were not called in prior to that point.

    we’ve always had at least one guy come on the roster like that…… at least one..:… as long as I can remember

    hopefully JeBo recognizes he can be a guy for next cycle
     
  15. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    So not a Fereira fan then?
     
  16. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're not worthy of a ranking at this point.
     
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  17. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His mother told me he was 6-0. I want to see any of you tell that nice lady to her face she’s wrong [emoji2]
     
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  18. Xsoccerfanx

    Xsoccerfanx Member

    Timbers
    United States
    Feb 20, 2022
    #43 Xsoccerfanx, Jun 13, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2022
    Production with the USMNT:

    Name. Goals. Assists. Minutes. G/90 min. A/90 min.
    Ferreira 7* 4 625 1.01 .58
    Pepi 3 3 708 .38 .38
    Sargent 5 1 1110 .41 .08
    Dike 3** 0 439 .62 0
    Zardes 14 9 4151 .30 .20
    Altidore 42 16 7987 .47 .18

    *4/7 of Ferreira's goals came against a very weak Grenada. He was already the most productive forward before that game though.
    **⅔ of Dike's goals came against a weak Martinique team.

    Club Sofascore ratings:
    Ferreira(MLS): 7.38
    Pefok(Swiss):. 7.29
    Ebobisse(MLS):7.27
    Vasquez(MLS):7.16
    Dike(MLS2021):7.08
    Wright(Turkey):7.02
    Pepi(MLS2021):7.01
    Sargent(Germany20/21):6.91
    Toye(MLS2021):6.91
    Hoppe(Germany20/21):6.78
    White(MLS):. 6.78
    Zardes(MLS):. 6.75
    Cowell(MLS):. 6.69
    Sargent(EPL):. 6.65
    Altidore(MLS):. 6.65
    Pepi(Germany): 6.64
    Berry(MLS):. 6.63
    Gioacchini(France):6.57
    Soto(Scotland):. 6.44
    Hoppe(Spain):. 6.42

    Turkey and Switzerland are around the same level as MLS, Scotland is slightly worse. EPL, Germany, Spain, and France are obviously at a higher level.


    Rankings (taking into account GB's preference for players who can press):

    1)Ferreira is the clear #1 right now.

    2) Pepi is probably still the #2 due to his pressing skills.

    3) I put Pefok third due to strong performances with his club.

    4) Sargent has been a starter in both the Bundesliga and the EPL, he deserves a decent rank despite a lack of scoring.

    5) Vasquez is above other players with similar production due to pressing ability.

    6)Wright had a good season in Turkey.

    7)Ebobisse has had a great start to the MLS season, but I don't think he will keep up this pace and he doesn't press like Vasquez.

    8)Hoppe has had a poor season, but he showed promise back when he was in the Bundesliga.

    9)Dike had a decent season in MLS last year, but has been struggling with injuries in England.

    10)Zardes has lots of national team experience, but there are other forwards who are younger and better.
     
  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Big congrats big man well done
     
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  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What does Sargent have to do in the Championship to crack the top three in time...

     
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  22. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    play striker, for one...
     
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  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ouch!


     
  25. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Has Ferreira really done all that much to earn the job? It seems like people are reaching out of desperation.
     
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