RIP -- Consequential Person Has Passed Away

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ademola Okulaja
     
  2. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Everybody else got famous, and some of them got rich; Bobby Neuwirth did better than that-- he got to be free and himself, and be loved by many.

    Bobby Neuwirth, 82, thought to be heart failure.
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    "Make me wise to learn the lessons
    Make me strong to understand
    What it takes to walk in beauty
    As I cross this sacred land"
    (Neuwirth/Romero)

    "And on that morning
    We will have an answer
    To the ancient question:
    What do we call each other
    After the war is over?"
    (Neuwirth)
     
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  3. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
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  4. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Its a tough week for Jon Anderson. Just the other day his collaborator Vangelis died. Today, Longtime YES drummer Alan White died. 72.

     
  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
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  6. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Maybe it's just me, but I got tired of that Chariots Of Fire music really, really early in its run. Like five minutes or so... I felt the same way about Jan Hammer's Axel F. I'm thinking that was the period where guys who should have been playing piano or Hammond started experimenting with keyboard sounds* and it just tanked miserably.

    *that includes the horrid, horrid Fender Rhodes
     
  7. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marlin Briscoe, 76.
     
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  9. KCFutbol

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    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the then, University of Omaha. Marlin "the Magician".
     
  10. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Marlin the Magician:

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    In 1972. Yes folks, he was on that Dolphins team, and a serious contributor, the #3 wideout behind Paul Warfield and Howard Twilley.
     
  11. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yep, he got a ring. I'm thinking for aome reason he's being played out of position here... But that was the order of the day..

    I see from Googling that the media is REALLY focusing on his Dolphins time. I shouldn't be surprised.
     
  12. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Two rings-- he was on the '73 team too.

    I saw most of his QB games-- he was really a small college roll-out guy, not comfortable in a drop back whole field offense, and not super accurate; and he was pretty slight for QB. Wideout was probably actually his best use. He was really athletic, not just "black guys run and jump good" athletic, but athletic enough to play qb ok in the pros even though it wasn't really his natural position. He was about 80/90% of Kordell Stewart and rather similar.

    But it was just so cool to see somebody get a chance at it, and to see them get a little bit of success. There would shortly be other guys that i felt got screwed, guys who really were qbs (James Harris, Warren Moon) but I was just happy to see Briscoe have success somewhere in the league.

    And of course there were a couple of generations of earlier guys who, given the chance, really were QBs but weren't allowed the chance, guys whose names we'll never hear.
     
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  13. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Cool

    <snip>

    He was the first Black quarterback in pro gridiron.
     
  14. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Fritz Pollard, -1926
    Joe Lillard 1933-4
    George Taliaferro 1950-55
    Willie Thrower 1953
    Charlie Brackens 1955

    One gets scrambled up in single wing and its variants of course, but my understanding is that each of these guys played tailback some and threw passes, as well as playing quarterback and throwing blocks, and that each was noticeably more melanin saturated than his teammates. Pollard, of course, was in the league before the league was in the league.

    I think the color line was always softer in football than baseball-- it lasted as long as it did because they needed Marshall's money and grew up in an apartheid nation, not because they really cared about or for it. Meat on the hoof is meat on the hoof, and nickel a pound is cheaper than two bits...
     
  15. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I didn't mention Pollard for that reason, wasn't sure about the other names. Full time QB is what we're talking about here, let's not pedant ourselves into a corner..

    It lasted. That matters more enough than everything else that it deserves mention solo.

    Why is really not worth the discussion. Marshall DID have power, it was and is an apartheid nation of sorts, and the sentence can end there.

    I try in my daily posts to avoid the sort of tangents about things not being as bad as all that. Help me out here.
     
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  16. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    The pedantry is unavoidable-- "full time QB" in a single wing is a blocking back, an undersized H back. The tailback was the primary passer. San Francisco was still running the single wing half or a third of the time when I was first watching in 1964. The tailback when they did was Billy Kilmer, and the QB would have been somebody like Dave Kopay or Monty Stickles or Vern Burke. When they were in the T the quarterback was John Brodie. It was the last gasp of the single wing in the NFL, but still, a super bowl qb broke in and spent several years as a single wing tb. The last of which was only four years before Briscoe as a quarterback.

    We both know there was an issue there-- I was, after all, pleased and excited to see Briscoe, so I clearly had some sense that there was injustice that needed a damn good whacking. But it is a little hard to see exactly what it was-- was it calling the signals? Paul Brown and Tom Landry already weren't letting the white guys do that. Or was it throwing the ball? Hard to see that as a thing that an inferior thinker with a superior arm cannot do. Jeff George was already alive...

    It is almost the case that the evolution of the modern QB created the problem-- suddenly there was one position running the whole show, and we can't have POC doing that...

    (I think both Thrower and Brackens were primarily "full time qbs" in the modern sense, though their time on rosters was brief.)
     
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  17. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The evolution didn't create the problem. A lack thereof in the league and nation created it.

    All I'm saying here is, the history you typed out wasn't necessary. We all know why Briscoe's career is notable. The media tried to gloss over that. You fell into their pattern.
     
  18. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Additionally... If Briscoe was the acceptable one, understand that there are probably several others who were better but we're unacceptable to the powers that be for some reason or another. So we hail Briscoe for what he did, we say a quiet prayer for those denied, and we dismiss the congregation. But we don't waste time talking about his stats.
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    God must have decided we weren't ready for a quarterback actually named Thrower. It'd be like if this guy was an offensive lineman.


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  20. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Is that Hoss, from Bonanza?
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The actor's last name is Blocker.

    Get it?

    (Yes, it is.)
     
  22. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Hardin-Simmons and Sul Ross State.

    It was still one platoon football, and he was 300 lbs, so I feel safe assuming he did a lot of blocking.
     
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  23. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Since Dan Blocker has passed on, this is a good time to post Gurf Morlix's legendary tribute



    Bet a lot of you won't make it to the end.
     
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  24. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I heard the end, but only because I ff'd.

    We're way past "doing a lot of work"... The word "legendary" is on a road crew under a 2PM Alabama June sun, and the rep is a plea for this video to not be posted again...
     
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