Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    officially made QF
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  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    03 CF Wollschlager makes XI debut in Hertha's biggest match of season........:eek:
    due to Selke unfit, Dardai also unfit.


    that XI badly missing Ws though....
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    "We are aware that there is a large market for young players who want to be loaned out by a Bundesliga club to take the next step. We will fish in the pond," said KSV coach Marcel Rapp recently. It is possible that the fishing rod will bend successfully, because there are interesting sixes with loan potential: Eyüp Aydin, for example, from FC Bayern, only 17 years old, but already very mature in terms of play. Made 29 appearances this season under coach Martin Demichelis in the regional league, 24 of them in the starting XI. Even a syndesmosis rupture could only stop him temporarily, Aydin fought back his regular place in April. Contract in Munich until 2023, extension and loan possible.
    https://www.kn-online.de/Sport/Holstein-Kiel/Holstein-Kiel-auf-Sechser-Suche-Der-Kandidaten-Check
     
  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    in all this dual quitters called Ozcan, Matanovic and Tillman.

    Its nice to remember that Reda Khadra rejected Lebanon over and over. Saying he wanted to force his way into Germany..............and so he did got U21 call up in March but got injured. If manages to breakthrough EPL could be strong candidate for U21 Euro. I think next season U21 only play friendlies so could be chance for that too.

    Just look at mentality of a player NOT a regular and ALWAYS ON OUTSIDE.
    sure long run likely to end up at Lebanon but at least he's a fighter.
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    height diff between Kabadayi and Lawrence.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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    can't wait for Lawrence to ditch Bayern and play pro footy next season. Next Gen Per Mertesacker!!!
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    DIsturbing how Dortmund WANTS LOTKA just to be 3rd GK


    they are bringing in, mediocre 2BL GK just to be bench GK as don't trust non 1BL-2BL nor youth GKs.

    yeah Unbehaun needs to GTFO this Summer.
     
  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    if Hertha goes down, just hope Dardai and Gechter ditch, especially Dardai.

    then that Hertha does youth revolution in 2BL.
     
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -interesting about Weiper
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    -I only see German domination and this was vs Italy too, other players played vs smaller countries.


    -Italy with Chiarodia and Onofretti in XI beat Israel 1-0.
    shows how much we made match easy with 2 gifts, lol.

    France trashed Bulgaria 4-0. At this point, France on track for 1st and Dutch for 2nd. France only need D for 1st.

    on track for Germany vs Dutch and France vs Italy in QF.
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Always funny when clubs bitch about weak age groups
    -your not promoting whole U19 to 1st team
    -not hard to poach from other clubs IF you offer perspective.....but those clubs don't want youth in 1st anyways just excuses

    Furth U19 isn't that strong but are poaching
    with Ngankam, Bauer and Leweling gone.

    Furth II has a few interesting ones but fighting relegation battle all season. Big match on weekend.

    they brought 03 CB Fobassam and 03 M/W Littbarski both from Wolfsburg u19. Wolfsburg has been terrible place for so long for no pro exp youth. All they got now after axing II is a deal with Austrian 2nd but that will NEVER be seen as enough tbh.

    Austrian 2nd loan=1st abroad/2BL loans for top clubs=not good enough, these clubs only care about top 5.
     
  10. rj123

    rj123 Member

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I've been curious about what goes in the mind of a player that switches. Do they treat NTs as another version of club football, it doesn't matter who they play with? Are they just looking for the best opportunity to guarantee senior NT caps, and don't care which country they play for? If it's the latter, I can understand (but not necessarily agree with) someone who wants to avoid Germany - the competition is really stiff and if you aren't a Musiala level player, you might not get any caps. In that case, you might want to stay with the DFB youth training program - which is probably better than most other country's or convenient because you're playing in Germany. Once you get to U21 or senior candidacy, then switch. Pretty cynical strategy.
     
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  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    its better not to understand it. Its 100% all about opportunism than I switched because my heart beats for country X, LULZ.

    at this point, all ditching seems to be
    -Afraid of too much competition
    -expanded WC-Euro=free tickets
    -want to be stars at country X or Y but won't be for Germany.

    my main issue with Tillman was that he spent ALL season declaring himself for Germany PUBLICLY and ditches by end of season. That's a POS move, might be harsh words but its true. Di Salvo constantly talking about his progress and he too was surprised. Got upped to U21 early, plays in RL, not even pros and slap in face to coach as kicker said as he CALCULATED his chances for USA WC more than Germany.

    I had doubts when looking at all M, AM/W prospects from 00-onwards that Tillman has Senior future, always had doubts about Bayern future. But never tried to work his way into anything, shows weakass mentality and opportunist. We'll know in long run if was good enough for us or not.

    but problem is losing players THIS early weakens YNTs and overall depth options.

    at this point, Germany is at risk of losing a lot of duals and a lot who could have been depth options. We lost 3 regulars in YNT just this season, not even guys on outside.

    how many more to run away from competition?

    would not be surprised that Tillman getting overtaken by Wanner and Vidovic at Bayern played role into him thinking has no Senior prospects. That if others better at Bayern=I won't make Germany. Ibrahimovic also has better prospects also at Bayern too.

    had he switched post U21 in 2023 or by 2024 or 2025 would not make him look as bad as it does now.

    dfb has a very NOW thinking in that they ignore all in younger age groups when looking at things. So in the NOW, maybe Tillman has prospects but if all from 00-06 start to play pro,then is he really a Senior prospect? HUGE QUESTION MARK.

    its also why they bring up 0 talents, doomsday etc because in their minds younger not a thing, LOL.

    for me, one sees a lot of future Senior NT POTENTIAL (KEY WORD) players already from 05s.01-onwards packed with AM/W and 00-onwards packed with Ms too.
     
  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #15462 Ger90, May 19, 2022
    Last edited: May 19, 2022
    would even argue that Copado, Scott, Sieb at Bayern showed more this season than Tillman in RL too. Ranos already doing very well in RL too.

    a lot of reason not used anymore by 1st too, not used since January too. At some point, felt like Nagelsmann kept him around in 1st training only due to axing him is kinda mean thing for someone who was training with 1st for over a year now.

    but Wanner and Vidovic overtook him 100% fact.

    if one is honest, Tilman's edge on all incuding Wanner/Vidovic/Ibrahimovic was always that he already has good physique and ready physically for pros but is he more talented than rest? Only Scott is same age, rest all younger too.

    8 goals/assists in 15 matches but only productive in 4 matches out 15 is weak #s for RL and someone hoping to breakthrough Bayern. Had some good matches but overall not really a difference maker.

    was good for U21 though, made a difference there. But U21 is youth footy not vs adults like RL or 1BL.
     
  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    BOATENG 2.0!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    this guy has good account, but hate his obsession like Jan to approve of accumulation of talents at Bayern (Dortmund for Jan). BayernTalente was bitching hard about Nagelsmann is NOT a youth promoter but WANTS club to poach MORE.....LOL.

    sorry but hopefully no Ulrich or Aseko.
    With Hertha potentially going down, Jump to pros for Aseko smaller. And Ulrich we got update From club about contract that lasts until 2024 due to option and in good talks at Stuttgart. His contract makes sense, most youth have contracts that lasts until last U19 season of eligiblity. Also that Stuttgart and 1st coach want him in preseason.

    All these kids need to get, breakthrough easier clubs 1st and if good enough and after years of exp than go to Bayern.

    this whole Bayern fixation is dumb as fck. Bayern is a cheapass club. they know better for players to breakthrough somewhere else but why pay millions for something that you can get for cheap NOW. But then MAN ISSUE is integration is none-existant so what is point outside of being cheap? And add that Bayern's track record of loans not great and mostly low level too and they block you from leaving just to boost II.......


    since I expect Scott, Lawrence, Sieb, Rhein to potentially bail in Summer.
    Would like to see Janitzek, Bruckner, maybe Herold/Kabadyi too.

    all reps about how Bayern II wants to up Buchmann to II. Next season 05s CAN PLAY II.
    So Wanner, Ibrahimovic and Buchmann who jumped to U19 early could jump again early.
     
  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    ugh this is gonna be annoying thing until last second.
    Gabriel Vidovic from Bayern, who holds German and Croatian nationality, is tempted by the German Football Association. Currently, the midfielder represents the youth team of Croatia. [Goal]


    More
    The German Football Association is also working intensively on the offensive player.

    “We will fight for him to the end”
    Born in Augsburg, he has both German and Croatian citizenship, as both parents come from Croatia. Vidovic has won several international caps for Croatia's junior teams in recent years and was called up to ex-Liverpool star Igor Biscan's Under-21 squad last year.

    He revealed this week that the German Football Association has also targeted Vidovic. Accordingly, the top talent has not yet made a final decision as to whether he would like to play for Croatia in the future: "We will fight for Vidovic to the end, it may happen that he will soon receive an invitation from the senior national team," explained Biscan week at a press conference.

    Stanisic chose Croatia
    Croatia's national coach Zlatko Dalic has also emphasized that the Croatian association is currently "in a fight with the DFB" for several talents: "They are the second generation of Croatians, they maybe think a little differently. They find it difficult to choose between Croatia and Germany, where they live and work.”

    In the case of Bayern defender Josip Stanisic, the HNS has already “outdid” the German association. The right-back played for Germany in the U19s, but ultimately decided on Croatia and now has three senior internationals for the 2018 runners-up.
    https://fcbinside.de/2022/05/19/dfb-kaempft-um-bayern-youngster-gabriel-vidovic/
     
  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    what I said about Tillman and Bayern is not bias due to switching but truth that was confirmed by BAYERN PRESIDENT that Wanner/Vidovic are ahead of rest.

    Was it up for discussion on the supervisory board?
    Of course not. This is completely away from reality! We are discussing with Hasan - not about him. There is no question that he is very important for Bayern. Of course we talk to him about the players, their performance and why things didn't go so well for one or the other player - but also about the many positive examples such as Joshua Kimmich, Leon Goretzka, Kingsley Coman and Thomas Müller, with whom we extended , as well as young players like Jamal Musiala, Alphonso Davies or Josip Stanisic. That's completely normal. A lot is currently happening on campus, for example with Paul Wanner or Gabriel Vidovic, to name just two. We haven't brought anyone out of our own youth for seven or eight years. Then we started to reposition ourselves in the youth field and commissioned Hasan to create a concept. Of course, you don't see the effect overnight. But now we are reaping the first fruits of our labour. We discussed all of that at that meeting.
    https://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/f...lihamidzic-saison-meisterschaft-91556222.html
     
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    this is our future

    every dual that breakthrough 1BL=poaching attempt, won't matter if currently used by dfb or not.


    again issue here is that Addo is German and was youth to 1st guy at Dortmund still is. So he knows him well....this is why Kuntz and Addo getting fired=good thing.

    but so far Knauff still dfb.
     
  18. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    wouldn't want to be Flick, lol
    having to decide who you want or not and not losing them.

    its clear all who stick with dfb will ditch in long run if no Senior call ups.

    late bloomer duals won't be a thing. Late bloomers will only be for full Germans.
    meaning if someone only makes it big at 24+ y/o=too late already poached, lol.
     
  19. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If Knauff continues to play well at the start of next season for Frankfurt might as well call him up to seniors in September and get him cap tied. Can’t do any harm (u21 qualifiers completed) and removes temptation of WC with Ghana.
     
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  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    although new rules, not perm cap tied as doesn't turn 21 until 2023.
    rule change that now allows players to switch if they have played no more than three competitive matches at senior level prior to them turning 21 including no appearances in FIFA World Cup finals matches or continental finals.


    also very very bad timing for us.
    2024 Euro=home=no qualifiers, all we got is NL in terms of competitive.
     
  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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    U17 Euro
    Weiper=1 goal and 2 assists in 2 matches
    Wanner=1 goal and 2 assists in 2 matches
    Ulrich=1 goal and 1 assist in 2 matches
    Bischof and Pejcinovic=1 goal in 2 matches
    Ibrahimovic=1 goal in 1 match
    Di Benedetto=1 assist in 2 matches
     
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  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    funny that 02 W Nebel has 1 Irish Grandmother and rest is German and due to this eligible for Ireland, lol. Seems open to Ireland too.

    Ireland U21 coach interested in poaching him but for now since still with DFB U20 we got edge.

    but obvious if ignored by U20-U21 or Senior NT will get poached.
    How long before Serbia poach Samardzic, Ghana poach Scott, Turkey poach Obuz etc And that 02 AM/W which is packed shrinks by a LOT.
     
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  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    "Could it be that this U-17 national team is stronger than ever in terms of cast and individual players?

    Krattenmacher and Pejcinovic, two highly sought-after kickers who are being chased by world clubs, sat offensively on the bench.

    3 players in the squad have already been able to get a taste of Bundesliga air. I think Ulrich will also join next season."

    Ibrahimovic was also on bench, should XI next match.
    I think vast majority of this squad+bunch injured or left out will make pro debuts next season.

    curious to how many 05s will jump to U21 of 02-03??
     
  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    "I really like Ulrich. I really really like him and Bishof.

    Wanner, who is also considered a huge talent, always has brilliant moments, but the two combine technical finesse with a huge understanding of the game. Wanner can't get there.

    The two of them already know in many scenes when they have to attack, where they have to attack, how fast, etc. I noticed in Ulrich in particular how much he can control the pace of the game while in possession of the ball and sometimes from behind plays if he sees that it is good for the game. Wanner can do that, for example. still totally off.

    I can understand why Bayern want it. Ulrich brings such a blatant overall package of individual class, tactical knowledge and discipline that not many have so complete. A totally team-oriented player, but who can decide a game with brilliant moments."
     
  25. Collected

    Collected Member+

    Jul 19, 2014
    Ulrich is a talented boy no doubt but it is only Luxembourg. He didn't stand out against Italy to be fair. Let's see how he does against Holland and Spain. He is a January born. I wonder what role the relative age effect plays in his performances. He is technically gifted and not tall but he's pretty powerful for his age.
     

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