So I was thinking about Drew Time on the men's hoops side of the house. If Luka Garza is going.to be a marginal pro, Timme is not likely to.fare any better. He stands to make much more in his remaining year as the face of Gonzaga basketball than he will as a pro on 10-day contracts. I'm all for the school helping him maximize his earnings.
And while I'm on the subject, Nick Saban just gave a master class on how to recruit $. He was speaking to a bunch of businessmen in Birmingham how Texas A&M just "bought" a better class than his. Like he was doing it the "right" way, but only had $3 million and he needs to arm up. Like it or not, the money has long been in college sports. It's just the players turn to collect some of that dough.
A four-year scholarship--free college education (housing, tuition, food, counseling, tutoring)---IS major dough, last I checked. It's worth about $200K at a state university, if not more. Nearly all of the money generated by revenue sports is poured back into facilities, maintenance, administration, funding of non-revenue sports, travel and transportation, etc. I don't subscribe to this idea that players should be collecting dough. They are already. I was a D1 SEC scholarship student-athlete and felt damn lucky to be one.
I agree 100% with this. And, if they are now going to be paid athletes, they better be taxed on that tuition, fees, room and board, and books.
I was a D1 SEC scholarship student-athlete and felt damn lucky to be one.[/QUOTE] Just because you are a D1 scholarship athlete in any conference does not mean that you are on a full ride and have it easy for those 4-5 years. Most women's soccer players are not actually on full rides + meals + books + housing. There are families who still have to take out loans to attend and have debt after they graduate and we all know how exorbitant student loan interest rates are which can take many many years to pay off. We are on the women's college soccer side of this page and if players have the time and energy to promote themselves and ask for what they feel and do deserve for their name image and likeness LET IT BE. There are millions of dollars in profit made for these universities and coaches in men's and women's basketball and of course football, if the student athlete wants a piece of that because they are bringing in well more that their tuition + books + housing, good for them. It is the student-athletes who allow for big universities to bring in big money. Coaches today in all sports and all levels need to be flexible and adapt to the continuing changing landscape of college athletics. This is ultimately for the betterment of the athlete. I think that a lot coaches and administrators often forget is that they and the university are there to serve the student athlete. Without the student athlete we would not have college athletics.
That's minimum wage these days. I get your point, but top tier performers in any profession can usually get more. We abandon all pretense of amateurism when Mark Few gets $1.8 million/year.
Well, the tax code allows for all manner of in-kind transfers that are not taxed. My company car for one. This ain't gonna happen.
US Soccer Babe, so you agree they should all be taxed on their tuition, fees, books, room and board, then since they are paid athletes?
I disagree. Things are changing regarding the lanscape. NCAA is asking congress to help. Taxing scholarships and stipends has been a prevelant discussion nationally while athletes say they want to be paid.
Well, that's still going to require a change in the tax code. And since Congress skews older and may similarly share your sense of betrayal, it may very well pass. But I'd surmise that Kavanaugh's "The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America." line would doom this instance in front of the Supreme Court.
If you are citing the grossly unqualified Kavanaugh, we are never going to see eye to eye. I am not betraying anyone. I just recognize that there are professional and amateur athletics organizations. The NCAA used to be an amateur athletics organization. If you wanted to go pro and get paid, that option was always there. I have always been more of a college athletics fan vs professional sports, because I feel that college athletics is more pure in terms of the motivation for competition. I no longer watch NCAA basketball or football, because it is no longer amateur athletics.
Just because you are a D1 scholarship athlete in any conference does not mean that you are on a full ride and have it easy for those 4-5 years. Most women's soccer players are not actually on full rides + meals + books + housing. There are families who still have to take out loans to attend and have debt after they graduate and we all know how exorbitant student loan interest rates are which can take many many years to pay off. We are on the women's college soccer side of this page and if players have the time and energy to promote themselves and ask for what they feel and do deserve for their name image and likeness LET IT BE. There are millions of dollars in profit made for these universities and coaches in men's and women's basketball and of course football, if the student athlete wants a piece of that because they are bringing in well more that their tuition + books + housing, good for them. It is the student-athletes who allow for big universities to bring in big money. Coaches today in all sports and all levels need to be flexible and adapt to the continuing changing landscape of college athletics. This is ultimately for the betterment of the athlete. I think that a lot coaches and administrators often forget is that they and the university are there to serve the student athlete. Without the student athlete we would not have college athletics.[/QUOTE] And without college athletics these athletes would have nowhere to play it is a two way street. Student athletes have it great even without NIL. Playing in college is a privilege but also a choice. If you aren’t happy with what is offered you don’t need to do it. Don’t like your scholarship don’t take it. Don’t like the time commitment then don’t do it. Society gives in far too easily to the entitled these days.
Minimum wage?? If so then let the athlete decide if they want to scholarship or not. If they don’t like the full ride they don’t need to take it there are plenty other people who would kill to be in their privileged situation.
Whether or not Kavanaugh is unqualified or not (and if you were to read my signature, you'd probably have a good idea of what I think of him, and the man what brought him) the simple fact is he's on the Supreme Court and you and I are not. FWIW, all 9 justices ruled against the NCAA. Kavanaugh just had the juicy quote. I'm sorry you feel left behind. Youth soccer in this country is all but professional too, so your choices are dwindling. I get where you are coming from, really. I hated free agency for decades and I still want an 8-team ACC. At every turn, the things I value the most seem to get shunted aside. You seem angry at the players. I'm more pissed at the NCAA for fighting this and leaving us in this broken mess.
Entitled? LOLOL. How much do you make? US median personal income is a little under $36,000, so if you're north of that, well, you ought to give the difference back. Anybody who keeps more than that is obviously entitled, right?
Student athletes complaining they don’t get treated well enough when they are getting scholarships, have access to academic counselors, athletic facilities that others don’t are entitled. If you don’t like what you are given then you don’t have to do it. Playing college sports is a choice not a mandate. Nobody is making them play.
I agree. Where started this crazy notion that college student-athletes were being exploited and should be paid. My guess is that it was the usual activists who are always looking for handouts. Notice how all the proponents of NIL and paying student-athletes never mention the value of a free college education. I have not read enough about the Supreme Court decision--but there is quite obviously a basic problem in that college is college; it is not the free-market; it is not the business world. These are students, first and foremost, not employees and not independent contractors. College revenue athletics is being ruined by its professionalization--as everybody is now just in it for the money. It's all very corrupt. Twenty-team conferences are a joke. NIL is mostly a joke--a massive can of worms. One-and-done in college basketball is a joke--it is terrible for the college programs and it's not good for the NBA, as very, very few of the one-and-dones who get drafted by the NBA actually amount to much. The NBA clubs know that almost no players one year out of high school are ready for pro ball--but they draft them anyway. It's fairly stupid--especially because a year or two later they're trying to trade them because, get this, they're not ready to contribute to the big club. The whole system has become deeply corrupt.
Well, as you say, they already get scholarships. So they are already entitled pricks. We could, I suppose, ban scholarships, require that only full time professors coach, stop televising and streaming the games, make the teams play in empty stadia. That would be amateur. And you would probably get a different subset of student athletes. Fair enough.
Or we could be realistic, because that system ain't coming back. We might get a course correction in terms of freedom of movement. We have to see how the transfer portal shakes out once everyone with a super-covid 5th year is out of the system, which is two more years.
I don't get the weird 'nobody should get anything my generation didn't get' vibe all over this thread, especially coming from the last generation that got affordable tuition, easy entry to home ownership, and company funded retirements. This doesn't affect you. It will have barely any effect on the college soccer landscape. Surely there are other things to go all Boomer about.
And, it most has no affect on most college athletes. Alabama had 25 football players on NIL money. At one point this school year, the “average compensation per DI athlete” was $497.81. How dare kids make a little extra! Shame on them for being greedy for $500. Meanwhile, everyone else can profit big time off them. Overriding all of that nonsense is…there has ALWAYS been issues in “amateurism” since the term was developed. The concept of amateur is different from NCAA to all other orgs, in the US and abroad. But, for some reason, on this thread people think NCAA is innocent and pure.
What seems to be driving NIL on the mens side in revenue sports, an arms race for the best talent, is different to women in non revenue ones. Nike signed NIL deals with sister HS soccer players in HS from California. They also made Reilyn Turner their first NIL athlete - https://www.si.com/college/ucla/oly...yn-turner-secures-historic-nil-deal-with-nike - companies investing in the marketable. The world is not what it was and the genie is not going back in the bottle. Social media has changed the game. It is not a "fair" system and on the women's side, its not purely driven by talent. That said, if it works for the athlete, good for them. I dont begrudge any of them trying to get a piece of the action, if thats what they want. I do think it can change the chemistry in certain team sports, but thats for the coaches to worry about. Lets face it, some of them are earning huge sums of money for overseeing "amateur" sports
College whispers and yrts finally agree on something. whispers, college athletics is what it is because of great athletes. They’re the ones who fill the seats, win nattys, bring in sponsorships for continued success, sell merch, hell even concessions, not to mention tv deals. Without the great athletes, the free market would choose not to invest in college athletics. So no it’s not a 2 way street. Without the great athletes who win conference championships, regular season championships, go to the ncaa tourney, play in bowl games…universities will not be profiting millions and coaches/administrators would not be making hundreds of thousands