Yanks on Foreign YNTs ('01-'04 YOBs and younger)

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  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
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  2. NoHammiesAltidore

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    ‘04 Zion Scarlett of Crew 2 will reportedly be in a Jamaica u20 camp this week.
     
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  4. EXALIFTIN

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    Slonina on Polands roster for nations league.
     
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  5. NoHammiesAltidore

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    Puerto Rico announced their callups for Nations League. Age-eligibles include '01 Rodolfo Sulia,'01 Beto Ydrach, '01 Jaden Servania, '01 Alec Díaz, '03 Colby Quinoñes, '03 Parker O'Ferral, '03 Brian Flores, '03 Wilfredo Rivera, '03 Leandro Antonetti, '04 Jeremy de Leon, '04 Ian Silva, and '05 Diego Rossi. Some such as Sulia, Servania, and Díaz are already cap-tied to Puerto Rico.

    https://www.fpfpuertorico.com/escogido-el-huracan-azul-mayor-para-liga-de-naciones-concacaf/
     
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  6. BostonRed

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    Ben Lederman called in for Polish U21s:

     
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  7. ussoccer97531

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    Slight correction, he’s an ‘00, so no longer YNT-eligible.
     
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  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

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    This is a Foreign YNT thread, not a USYNT thread. He's playing with a foreign YNT, just like the thread title says (though I admit there's another thread that fits his birth year better).
     
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  9. ussoccer97531

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    Fair enough. I wasn’t entirely sure if you put it here by mistake or intentionally.

    I think there’s some gray area. He’s on a foreign YNT, but wouldn’t be relevant towards USYNT’s, if he wasn’t playing for Poland because he’s too old. Can get confusing, and it’s pointless to debate the merits much. Wasn’t meaning to nitpick.
     
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  10. BostonRed

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  11. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I think these provisional rosters don't represent commitments, so someone like Koleosho may have chosen Canada, but he may also not have.

    Kratt is also American.

    And did we ever figure out whether this De Rosario was?
     
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  12. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

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    Let's go ahead and add those gents as well:

    GK- Adisa De Rosario | CAN / Toronto FC II (TM says he's a US citizen, so that works for the short term + his dad was in the US for that stretch.)
    F- Ronan Kratt | GER / SSV Ulm 1846
     
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  13. ussoccer97531

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    Koleosho will play for Canada IMO. Sounds as if he feels more valued in the Canada set-up. I don’t think he’s good enough for USYNT’s anyway.
     
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  14. EXALIFTIN

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  15. Clint Eastwood

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    #515 Clint Eastwood, May 19, 2022
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    Tillman's an interesting prospect.
    It'll be good to get another young player into the forward pool.
    We always want to be building depth.

    However........................

    He's older than Ricardo Pepi. This year in Germany for Malik Tillman?
    4 goals for their reserve team in the German 4th tier. One goal for the senior team in a POKAL Cup game against Bremer SV of the German 5th tier.

    There's no actual sign he's better than the players currently in the pool. Only our inferiority complex about our domestically produced players would make one certain that he is.

    It sounds like I'm being negative. Not really. I just don't know what to make of the player. Taylor Booth was stuck playing for Bayern II in the 4th division this season, and I think he's pretty good too.

    Since Tillman is an '02, he's not eligible for our U20s. He's played for the German U21s, which is the level that qualifiers Euro teams for the Olympics. Would he thus be cap-tied at the Olympic level should we qualify?

    I think people on the US boards went kind of waaay overboard thinking that if Tillman commits then he's an option for the World Cup. I guess so, but based on what actual evidence? Matthew Hoppe scored more goals in the frickin Bundesliga last year than Tillman scored in the German 4th division this season. Josh Sargent scored more goals from a Premier League club this year across all competitions than Tillman scored in the German 4th division. Dike smashed the Championship on loan. And Sargent/Hoppe/Dike aren't in the USMNT at the moment.

    But anyway, I'll get off my soapbox.
     
  16. Pl@ymaker

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    #516 Pl@ymaker, May 19, 2022
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    I don't rate him that high either. He's getting called up for the USMNT, so we'll see how that goes.
     
  17. ussoccer97531

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    I think you have to look at it as he's an option for the pool going forward. He's an '02.

    How many of our 02's are better than him? Probably only Reyna, Musah, and maybe Scally.

    Bello was a mediocre player on one of the worst Bundesliga teams this season. Tillman could've certainly been that. His brother was an average player on one of the worst Bundesliga teams. Busio was an average player on one of the worst Serie A teams. I don't think it's a big ask that he's at that level right now.

    Is he better than Scally? I'm less sure. Scally is pretty good, and right on the fringe of the NT right now. He got 2129 minutes for Gladbach this season. Tillman may not have been able to do that had he come through the Gladbach system, but I think if we are quibbling about if he's only the 3rd or 4th best '02 in our pool then it's a good addition for the future.
     
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  18. Pl@ymaker

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    He may be one of our better '02s but is he really better than the players younger than him?

    Also, our '02s are still young, so who knows who our best will be in a few years.
     
  19. Maximum Optimal

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    I think you're wrong. But find you sexy when you get on that soapbox.
     
  20. Clint Eastwood

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    I totally get what you're saying. He's young and its good to get another young forward into the pool.

    I just don't see a lot of evidence that he's superior to what we've got at forward. Yet anyway.

    I think the same thing of Sanogo. No evidence to me yet that he's better than players already in the pool. Crushed the U17 level. Took a step up to the U19 level this season, and was just kind of "eh." Now we see how he can adjust and advance next year.

    Of course I'll be thrilled to see them both advance and earn regular roles on the USMNT.

    I just find it weird that people are seemingly skeptical now of Pepi and are giving Tillman the benefit of the doubt. Pepi is younger than Tillman. Pepi performed better in MLS than Tillman did in the German 4th division. Tillman turns 20 in two weeks.

    But anyway, it makes it sound like I'm more negative about him than I actually am. I don't know the player well enough to really have an educated opinion.
     
  21. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
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    Nov 14, 2021
    It’s like you ignore human nature on anonymous media year after year. This is entirely obvious and predictable. It’s not weird, it’s tedious.
    Tillman is not someone Germany is going to lose sleep over, or care about.
    In the olden days this would be a cause for US hope, but people should know better by now, but alas.
    This kid has some tools, but fits right in with most of forward pool.
    He is new, has Bayern next to his name, and we need forwards, but get ready to be disappointed.
    Another mediocrity. The same fans will ignore and turn on him soon enough when the shine wears off.
    Predicatble.
     
  22. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    U.S. Soccer has been engaged with Tillman since at least 2016 -- good for them for staying on him and apparently making a pitch the player was willing to accept. (Was it a World Cup Guarantee? I have no idea -- I tend to doubt it -- but as long as his side of the commitment was a Julian Green-style goal in a knockout match, I suppose it's a good deal!)

    I have my opinions about the forward situation and I don't plan to bore you with them. Ultimately I think one thing Berhalter doesn't seem to get enough credit for is creating a competitive environment with the pool -- some of which, of course, is arguably out of necessity, but he could address that in a number of ways -- and adding a well-regarded prospect to the mix late in the game certainly contributes to that. The fewer players who feel safe going into the summer camps/fall season, the better, it seems to me.

    With all that said he seems to me like a long shot for 2022, but a long shot and a head start on 2026 is still a pretty good offer. Do people think Flores expects to be at the World Cup with Mexico?
     
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  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    I have no idea how good he is, but my assumption is Berhalter wouldn't have convinced him to switch unless he saw a path to the USMNT for him in the near future.
     
  24. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Like Tyler Boyd?

    Look Tillman will get a shot. I’m sure he has been promised that.

    Folks just need to cool their jets. He isn’t the hot prodigy he was a few years ago. My friends at Bayern, in Germany, are yawning right now.
    My guess, with people who have watched him live insight, is that he could turn into something over the next 2, 3, 4 years, but so could a few hundred players his age in the Bliga right now. I’ll take him, but he isn’t gonna blow any doos off, and he hasn’t shown much at a decent level yet. We didn’t get a Dest or Musah here. These guys were expected to make impressions or in Dests case, made them all the way through youth levels that mad it impossible not to play him, even though his skill was questioned there. Tillman is just another prospect who is fine, but not one Germans, or Bayern fans are gonna think all that much about,
     
  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've honestly never watched Tillman play so I have no sense of how good he is or isn't.

    But as to Tyler Boyd the pool was in a much worse place then, so it was clear he would get included and indeed he was part of the A team Gold Cup. The problem for him is after that Gold Cup his club career went off a cliff, and the US pool shifted fairly dramatically in terms of talent level.
     

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