You 8-2 See One Team Score 9 Times- The Other Teams Thread

In Jan 2021 El Mundo reported Messi's 4-year €555.2M contract signed in 2017 that was €138m per season fixed + variables

2 premiums of €115.2M for accepting a renewal + €77.9M as a loyalty bonus & earning €74.9M NET yearly.

Messi's +€555m was ½ of the Barça's entire debt. https://t.co/bvnNFiDBgC

— M•A•J (@Ultra_Suristic) May 17, 2022

 

Barca being hypocritical? No way!!!!

How shameless must one be to support such a trashy club.

 

Abdou Diallo showing support on Instagram for Idrissa Gueye after the latter was rightfully ripped to shreds online for being a homophobic piece of trash. Just when you think this PSG team can't be any more unlikeable.

 

Do players have to wear anyhting the club throws at them. He made a decision not to wear the colours. Why does that make him homophobic?

What about those who don't take the knee? Does that mean they hate black people?

High time clubs stopped doing these things. If players want to wear rainbow laces by all means but clubs should not force players to do so. That should be a personal choice.

 

No! Forcing people to do stuff is the way to go. And destroying their lives if they don't OBEY is the only remedy.

More LOVE less HATE

 

🎙TITE:

“Neymar is no longer a winger. We need him to be able to create, to build, to be the player that can unbalance, the creativity of the team. He played this role well against Chile.” pic.twitter.com/iSIGBSLcKG

— Brasil Football 🇧🇷 (@BrasilEdition) May 18, 2022

Interesting quote from Tite about Neymar. If he’s not a winger anymore, where is he going to play? As a 10 or a false 9 perhaps?

It sounds like Vinicius will be the starting LW for Brazil in Qatar

 

Not sure about that. If you are a member of the club, you're assumed to accept that the club supports certain values and that you will be required to represent them as you represent the club.

Now its a different discussion whether its morally right for a club to publicly promote the LGBT cause, but knowing the hegemonic meanings in the West it is something that can be anticipated. You can't just decide to opt out in that case; if you start making everything that your working environment asks of you a personal choice, the line becomes pretty blurred and soon we have a situation where anything goes.

Bottomline, you signed for the club, you automatically accept the culture there. You want to pick up the money but not represent the club's values? Thats not gonna work.

 

Why? "Supporting" LBGTQ+ is what's supposed to be the normal. It's like saying "I don't know if it's right for a club to support the idea of being anti-killing other people". Nobody would question that right?

But unfortunately there is obviously a problem with people when it comes to LBGTQ+ rights. And for that reason clubs and organizations have to show support to that. If that triggers some people it only shows they are homophobic or in the very least uneducated in the matter.

 

I'm with Idrissa Gueye on this no 1 work or otherwise cant make me wear any rainbow kit or flag nothing like that I just won't I would humble sit that out ... LGBT want the rite to choose rite so what about our rights to do same

 

Thats a dangerous practice. It sets a dangerous precedence when clubs force players to wear and say things that the club want to portray themselves as. How long before Putin forces Russian Clubs to wear Z on their shirts. Will we still have respect for their players who toe the company line. No, we'll be disgusted.

I can bet this guy has not signed anything in his contract that forces him to wear shirts with rainbow colour. And now that he has exercised his right to refuse, there are now people trying to cancel him for doing something that he has every right to do. Nowhere has he said that he doesn't like a certain group. So why does this make him a homophobe?

The world is dangerously becoming too woke. Soon we'll stop using he or she in order not to offend certain groups and if we do that's it your career is over.

This is a time for people to stand up to freedom of speech and expression. If QSG weren't such a despicable club I'd expected them to come out in support for someone now getting abused by ignorant people.

 

If QSG wants to support LGBTQ they have all the right to do so. Put out an official statement. Write it on social media, go meet with LGBTQ group to show your support. Don't force your players to say or wear things as a mean to send out a message.

I am glad certain players stopped taking the knee. It's not the solution. What next? The club forcing their players to identify themselves as non binary in order to not offend and to promote the trans community. Leave the social and political questions outside of football.

Just a few days ago a UK footballer came out as gay and he received overwhelming support. Some other players wear rainbow laces and receive no negative comments. They should be able to ahow their support if they want to but leave other players out of it if their wish is not to participate.

Some players in the UK have decided not to wear shirts with puppy flower and a player even turned his back on the national anthem. Not everyone has the same beliefs. I have never supported these things because i think it puts players in precarious positions.

 

The problem is going to extremes. And you are right that standing behind the Z would be going to the extremes. But so is refusing to play because you would wear a rainbow colored number, on the other side of the spectrum. Because despite the hypercommercialization of the LGBT issue and all the hypocrisies around it, it is still a good cause, and doing what Gueye did screams homophobia.

Basically, you should only renege when you are asked something that is completely extreme. What was asked of Gueye was not, it is part of the job being a player on a team from the West, and it was not a sufficient reason for him to break the contract. It is easy to fall prey to moral relativism here, but its tiring to constantly see attempts to roll back social progress by framing it as an issue of personal choice.

 

The culture of a club owned by the Qatari royal family? Wearing the shirt is an empty gesture, do you really think the club's owners feel that way?

 

The point of my post was that it's not about beliefs. It should be a default being okay with someone being LBGTQ+ but it's not. That's what this is all about. Not about beliefs or wanting to do it or not.

I do agree with your point but the biggest issue here is with those who get offended on promoting a message that should be but is not the default.

 

But who is the judge on what constitutes an extereme view or not. Who draws that line?

Why does not wearing a rainbow colour shirt make him a homophobe. Why isn't there a shirt available for players who want to play but who don't join in on these issues? We don't live in a nannystate.

Democracy is slowly fading away if a player receives such hate for refusing something that is optional on personal grounds that could either be on principle, religion or just a personal belief.

We need to stand up to the bullies that are trying to take away freedom of speech and expression.

Why are those who refuse to take the knee not called racists but those who don't wear rainbow colours called homophobes?

 

There is one thing being ok with it and another actively promoting it. The guy might be ok with LGBTQ but rather not promote it. Why is that wrong for him to do?

 

If now that there is a war going on and so everyone is talking about peace (I know it's hypocritical coming from these corporations let's not go there) if a Russian player comes out and says "I don't like war but I don't want to participate with the whole peace campaign that promotes peace" does that seem okay to you?

 

Yes. We live in a free world. Nobody should HAVE to say anything. That's what i am trying to get at. They should be allowed to say what they want as long as it's not discriminatory against a certain individual or group. Or else we become like those countries who abuse human rights where people are not allowed to have a personal opinion. As far as i can see, the player has not said anything negative about anyone person or group

 

Yeah nobody said he has to do it. We just judge him on his decision not to do it.

 

So, using the same yardstick, we have 9 racist outfield players who refused to take the knee when we played Chelsea and City?

 

My point is, if you want to show support go for it. But don't force everyone to do it. We all have rights.