2021-2022 UEFA Referee Discussion [R]

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  1. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    Aug 18, 2017
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    United States
    #1176 RefIADad, May 5, 2022
    Fair point, but there is a Scottish/UK team. I’d imagine UEFA won’t want an English referee working a home country match in a Europa League final.
     
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  2. allan_park

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    May 15, 2000
    #1177 allan_park, May 6, 2022
    And, to add to the point, there is no way a Scottish club would want an English Referee either.

    :)
     
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  3. Pierre Head

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    Dec 24, 2005
    #1178 Pierre Head, May 6, 2022
    Of course, I am well aware of this, my point was that Rangers are not an English team, and I imagine they and every other Scotsman (and I have several as former teammates and good friends) would not be best pleased as being thought of that way!

    I also know some people don't really understand the differences between England, Great Britain, United Kingdom, British Isles and sometimes use them interchangeably. Furthermore having 5 football associations within the latter complicates things as well!

    PH
     
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  4. allan_park

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    #1179 allan_park, May 6, 2022
    PH, you are absolutely right - on all of the above!

    :)
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    #1180 MassachusettsRef, May 6, 2022
    No one ever wants to give the Isle of Man FA any recognition. Sheesh.
     
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  6. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    #1181 Pierre Head, May 6, 2022
    They have plenty of recognition
    The same as the Jersey FA, Guernsey FA, Shetland FA!

    Why?
    They are members of their National Associations and not separate members of FIFA.

    My fault for not being precise about the 5 FAs I mentioned! :oops:

    PH
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

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    Washington, DC
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    #1182 MassachusettsRef, May 6, 2022
    It was a joke.
     
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  8. El Rayo Californiano

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    Feb 3, 2014
    #1183 El Rayo Californiano, May 6, 2022
    On the Eintracht Frankfurt vs West Ham DOGSO decision, I wonder if Gil Manzano's angle of view undermined his ability to evaluate accurately the attacker's distance from the ball. You can see him working to get left when the foul occurs and he blows the whistle.

    In any event, as others have pointed out, the inclination now is to err on the side of caution, and here he knows Hernandez Hernandez will call him to the monitor to reevaluate if necessary.
     
  9. Mikael_Referee

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    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    #1184 Mikael_Referee, May 6, 2022
    If anyone is interested: James Linington, one of the most highly rated Championship referees, is from IoM and listed with their county football association. :)

    EDIT: he has just been appointed as referee of the key Sunderland vs. Sheffield Wednesday playoff return match. Maybe an outside chance of promotion to SG1 for him even?
     
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  10. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    #1185 Pierre Head, May 6, 2022
    I know!
    Mine was too. Even the very first one! :D
    Got to have some humor these days about something.

    PH
     
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  11. Pierre Head

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    Dec 24, 2005
    #1186 Pierre Head, May 6, 2022
    Manx for the info!

    PH
     
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  12. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

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    #1187 RedStar91, May 6, 2022
    I don't get it either. I can somewhat see an English referee pulling some kind of mental gymnastics to come to a yellow card, but a Spanish referee? Really surprising.

    Also, Gil Manzano also somehow punted this decision to VAR 30 seconds into his La Liga season this year. Incredibly, he didn't even show a yellow card live.



    Spanish and Italian referees being so liberal with their interpretation of DOGSO was one of the main reasons the law was changed to get rid of it in the penalty area unless it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball.

    I remember watching games in Italy and Spain where any foul in the penalty area was at minimum a yellow card and probably a red.
     
  13. Mikael_Referee

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    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    #1188 Mikael_Referee, May 8, 2022
    What a terrible penalty decision by Champions League referee Irfan Peljto in Cyprus after an on-field review [VAR from Portugal, Melo].

    Link: https://t.co/3F9cFCxicI
     
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  14. Orange14

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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    #1189 Orange14, May 8, 2022
    Here is another dubious penalty decision by a FIFA referee, Serder Gozubuyuk in the Feyenoord - PSV match today. Go to the 1'15" spot in the clip. It looks like the players arm was in. VAR, which is usually reliable in the Eredivise, did not signal a need for a review.
     
  15. Mikael_Referee

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    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    #1190 Mikael_Referee, May 8, 2022
    Blocking a shot whilst turning one's back incidents are always tricky, but, contrary to Skomina in Paris vs. Man Utd, I agree that play on was correct here. For intervention? Hmmm. Common-sense says yes, protocol I guess rather no.

    The giving of it was terrible... Gözübüyük is so weak, I'm sorry :/. Only in the VAR era could such a relatively poor official obtain UEFA Elite status! And video refereeing was supposed to give us stronger managers on the pitch...
     
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  16. MassachusettsRef

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    #1191 MassachusettsRef, May 8, 2022
    Agreed with most everything here. I think the one thing that saves it from being sent down is that the defender has turned his body so much that the "far side" arm is now exposed AND it's up. He's tucked it, yes. But he's tucked it high and not at his side. I guess I'd say it this way: in attempt to not deliberately handle, he's made himself unnaturally bigger and then exposed that unnatural barrier to the trajectory of the shot. That's a lot for the VAR to hang his hat on and say the call must stand.

    But yeah, Gozubuyuk... that's just terrible. Either make the call and own it or forcefully wave the appeals away. To meekly call that as a game-tying penalty with no time left would be poor on the local youth field, nevermind here.
     
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  17. Orange14

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    Bethesda, MD
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    #1192 Orange14, May 8, 2022
    @MassachusettsRef & @Mikael_Referee thanks for the explanations. I was watching the match and thought it might be a 50-50 call and maybe he had to think about it for a moment before calling it. It was a hard shot and maybe the speed of what was going on made him pause. Even so, his point to the spot was pretty weak. Dutch VAR are usually quite good and have lots of views on plays, I guess they just deferred to the call on the field. In any event, it was a tough way for PSV to drop points and may have cost them a shot at winning the league.
     
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  18. El Rayo Californiano

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    #1193 El Rayo Californiano, May 9, 2022
  19. MassachusettsRef

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    Washington, DC
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    #1194 MassachusettsRef, May 9, 2022
    Seems pretty straightforward, no? It's a physical challenge for the ball so it has to be offside.

    Though I guess the issue is that effectively it's not much different than the defender who scores an own goal (or directly causes a goal, pen, or corner kick) by playing the ball but not being within playing/challenging distance of the attacker in the OSP.
     
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  20. Brilliant Dutch

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    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
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    #1195 Brilliant Dutch, May 9, 2022
    Thats not a penalty.

    But hey, I'll take it
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    #1196 MassachusettsRef, May 11, 2022
    Champions League Final
    TURPIN (FRA)

    Europa League Final
    VINCIC (SVN)

    Conference League Final
    KOVACS (ROU)

    I think only a moderate surprise in the sense that Marciniak got shutout, but he was probably a coin flip for Europa League. I do wonder if he starts out as Makkelie's top competition for the match next year, though. Kovacs also a small surprise, I'd say, as people expected Taylor but it seems like his appointment was well earned.

    VARS are Brisard with Turpin, van Boekel with Vincic, and Fritz with Kovacs.
    4th officials are Bastien, Jovanovic, and Scharer, respectively.
     
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  22. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    #1197 balu, May 11, 2022
    Taking nothing away from Kovac's merits, but one wonders how things would have shaken out had Hategan been fit.
     
  23. MassachusettsRef

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    #1198 MassachusettsRef, May 11, 2022
    Differently.

    I think the same will be said once we see the WC list for UEFA, too.
     
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  24. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    #1199 MassachusettsRef, May 13, 2022
    Scotland : Ukraine - MAKKELIE (NED)

    A sensitive assignment, so not surprised to see his name.

    I was thinking Marciniak would make sense for the final playoff match, but he literally just had Wales so maybe not. Not Makkelie. Not an English referee. Likely not Turpin or one of the other refs who just had a final? I'm thinking one of the Spaniards. Unless Orsato having one of the other finals doesn't matter.
     
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  25. feyenoordsoccerfan

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    Jan 5, 2006
    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #1200 feyenoordsoccerfan, May 13, 2022
    Gullit thinks it's a penalty, because of the only reason I can imagine valid to give one in this case, blocking the ball on it's way into the goal.
    use google translate if interested
    https://www.feyenoordpings.nl/gullit-dat-is-voor-mij-een-argument-om-een-strafschop-te-geven/
     
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