2021-2022 UEFA Referee Discussion [R]

Somehow it seems Orsato might be credited for his performance, but not sending off Casemiro for those tackles played a huge role in the outcome of the game.

 

Man City's timewasting in the match came back to bite.
Orsato correctly added 6 minutes which gave RM some hope that there was still time left to keep going.
Well done. More referees should do this.

PH

 

Correct, but a big difference between 10 secs and 6 minutes.
But probably there should have been more than 3 minutes anyway.

Maybe we need a new name? Carlo time, not Fergie time?

PH

 

1) Considering Orsato reffed it on basically one leg, it is credit to his class as a referee that the game went as well as it did
2) He was very, very lucky tonight... basically no disciplinary control at all, he survived thanks to forgiving players and considerable mgmt skills
3) UEFA will be very happy. I find their attitude (same as PGMOL) of treating referees simply as stage managers very irritating, ie. a (semi-)injured Orsato is still better than Vinčić or Marciniak
4) Waiting for tomorrow, UEFA can be basically delighted with how their semifinals have gone for the officials so far

 

Yuck, yuck, and more yuck

 

If we are going to see it, I’d like to see it in the MLS All-Star game. That way, we see how bad it is, how it messes up TV windows, etc.

 

How do you guys know the ref was injured? Also I can't grasp how people are aghast at the lack of YC/RC for Casemiro's TWO challenges yet then you guys also say how "UEFA will be very happy with the performance"

 

1. It is common knowledge the Orsato was recovering from an injury that kept him from being used in earlier rounds.
2. Many people believe there should have been harsher punishment for Casemiro. At the same time, they acknowledge that UEFA will not be among this people and will be happy because the referee kept it 11 v 11 and will not be the subject of controversy in the media. Both these things are objectively true. The challenges should have been considered misconduct in a vacuum, and UEFA will be happy that Orsato did not send him off.

 

1. I guess I deserve that since I don't read stuff like that

2. This really just blows my mind. I guess I understand the logic about UEFA wanting this match to end 11v11, but I just can't wrap my head around two clear YC offenses, one that was borderline RC, with ZERO cards and UEFA being happy about it just because it ended 11v11. Is there really no controversy going on in the soccer media? Also I guess individual YCs don't really mater but Sterling's challenge seemed to get the ball and didn't feel like a foul to me.

I really would have thought that Orasto would be getting roasted for this performance but I guess that's just my lack of knowledge.

 

He did get roasted in some quarters, just not by UEFA officials.

However, the game was essentially lost by Man City themselves, not by anything the referee did or didn't do.
And that is the real story of the 2-match semifinal.

PH

 

Arguably, Rocchi was the technically better and more accurate referee.

Yet, Orsato did a CL Final and has done more CL semi-finals than Rocchi and might even go further in the World Cup than Rocchi ever did.

Now some of it was just down to bad timing for Rocchi. He wasn't quite good enough to over take Rizzoli and when Rizzoli stepped down, Rocchi was already getting near retirement age.

It's actually quite remarkable that Rocchi got as far as he did with his style in UEFA.

I still wonder what would the reaction be if Rocchi gave two red cards on the same sequence in a CL semi-final like he did on the Chelsea vs. Ajax group stage game a couple of years ago.

I think UEFA would have dragged him off the field in the middle of the game.

Orsato is basically like Brych in that he has the shear force of personality to basically allow whatever he wants without the game spilling over.

 

Despite their differing styles, Rocchi and Orsato are great friends, and Rocchi as the Serie A designator has pushed Orsato on after the UCL Final and EURO.

https://football-italia.net/referee...-personality-and-2020-champions-league-final/

 

Ha! That was the period when Rocchi was at his peak in terms of being card happy.

This is still one of the bravest and maybe unnecessary calls I've ever seen in a professional match much less the second or third biggest club match in the world.

Can you imagine Oliver or Taylor producing a red card for sarcastic clapping in the 30th minute in a Manchester City vs. Liverpool match?



He was practically banned from refereeing Inter for a couple of years after the Sneijder red card and the Inter vs. Napoli game in 2011. They were so fed up with him.



(To this day, I don't see how on earth he had a yellow card, much less a foul on the first incident in the clip above).

He was absolutely hated in Serie A during that time.

The World Cup Final might have finished 9 vs. 10 with Rocchi. It's impossible to know, but I don't think World Cup Final would have turned into the farce that it did with Webb, if Rocchi was the referee, because the players would have gotten the message with Rocchi after the first red card.

Webb always brings up how he didn't have the "angle" for De Jong's karate kick and how he wish he had VAR for that. Every referee has missed shocking tackles in their careers. It happens to everyone. I was never as bothered by the karate kick miss as the fact that never changed his approach throughout that entire game.

They kept kicking the shit out of each other and he never adjusted and found a red card until extra time.

 

It was hard not to notice the 4th official staring at his watch when the whistle was blown "early" and then they cut to the players celebrating.

 

I think you are verrryyy generous there! It is absolutely incredible that someone considered one of the best ≈fifteen referees in Europe can't detect such a clear DOGSO live on the FoP. Seriously. And I don't even mean that to criticise Gil Manzano explicitly either. In this era of video training session after video training session (when you watch, say, WC 1986 and think about different it was then, no video training at all, compared to the endless clips showed to contemporary to refs, it begins to hit...), he cannot perceive + have the confidence to issue a RC on the pitch for that. Take a step back. It is genuinely remarkable to me.

I watched Soares Dias tonight, and to his credit, he was good. Focused and firm, maybe the Portuguese has a very outside chance for the WC having displayed his good firm was not a flash in the pan. But having skimmed through Schärer's performance, absolutely furious player-player confrontations (69', 79') solved with no sanctions shown. This was CONCACAF refereeing plus a strict line against inevitable dissents, from what I could see. The Serbian officials in Rome see a reckless vs. SFP tackle clearly, and decide to issue no card (26'). And you have a whole highlight reel from Orsato (who when fit, is one of the best) last night.

Assuring that VAR would get the big decisions right, the powers-that-be in football (refereeing) had the chance to create the most managerially, technically strong generation of refs ever in recent years. Instead we have a player not even cautioned last night for a tackle that, fifteen years ago, a player simply wouldn't have made because he'd have known it was an automatic red card. And while this group we see atm are just adapting as best they can, be sure that associations are creating the new generation of 'talents' for whom this artificially-making-the-games-exciting is the raison d'etre of their whole style (I watched so-called Italian talent no.1 Sozza in his Cyprus league game yesterday, and OMG...).

Sorry to be such a pessimist, but this was a throughly depressing night (week) in UEFA refereeing. :/

 

Prediction time!

CL: Turpin
EL: Marciniak
ECL: Taylor now that an English team isn’t playing.

 

There is no English team in EL either!

PH