CONCACAF 2022 Champions League

Discussion in 'Referee' started by rh89, Feb 15, 2022.

  1. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    That third one is another prime example of VAR devolving into a game of find a foul or find a penalty. Yes, this is a textbook foul in isolation. Though, games aren’t officiated (our at least shouldn’t be) down to a zoomed in video clip over a few seconds.

    Given the entire context of the match, the location on the pitch, the overall impact, let it be, let it be.
     
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  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, but this goes back to one of my favorite points/arguments from circa 2016. Would VAR be identifying "clear fouls" in the penalty area or would it be focused on "clearly wrong decisions?" And, if the latter, does the game's history of certain types of defensive fouls in the penalty area almost always being missed matter?

    We've never got an answer or unified approach to any of this. I know UEFA instructed its referees with a sort of sliding scale, whereby certain types of fouls should have a higher threshold for scrutiny than others. But it's still all subjective. And when some competitions or individual VARs hew to the "was it a clear foul" standard and others take an approach more like what you're advocating, we're left with even more subjectivity and inconsistency on certain penalty decisions than when we didn't have VAR. It's paradoxical, but it was also entirely predictable.
     
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  3. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Any thoughts on the throat grab on Salah in the Liverpool-Villarreal match?
    Nothing called or sent down.

    PH
     
  4. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    photo here:



    PH
     
  5. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Anybody know who's going to ref the 2nd leg in Seattle on Wednesday?
     
  6. ref29

    ref29 Member

    Nov 8, 2010
    Said Martinez (HON), most likely.
     
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  7. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
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  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Martinez busy early in this one
     
  9. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn’t see it, but John Strong said Martinez signaled advantage as the ball crossed the line for the Sounders goal late in the first half. Had that not gone in, I’m guessing it would have been a SPA caution, but DOGSO-handling wouldn’t have completely been out of the realm of possibility.
     
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  10. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How long does Martinez allow Pumas to keep fouling without any additional punishment? I know he had 2 cautions in the first half, but there really should be more.
     
  11. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    He did, though not quite instantly - a few beats after the goal, he did the two-arms-spread gesture towards the goal and then towards the center. Source: me, standing in the fourth row. :)
     
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  12. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In this league. Surely you jest?
     
  13. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #64 MassachusettsRef, May 5, 2022
    Last edited: May 5, 2022
    One would have to see that at speed to have a truly informed opinion. The height of the challenge is really the only clear component that would be a clear consideration for red. But everything else makes it look like an easy yellow. So there would need to be a LOT of force in that challenge—an “excessive” amount—for it to be a red card.

    Truthfully, I look at that and I don’t see anything close to a red card. But at full speed and with the entire context, maybe it’s plausible. Doubt it though.
     
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  15. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kind of what I thought. I’ve given reds for something similar but that was because the player did the kick to the thighs twice in quick succession.
     
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