Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    There is this article about him that just came out. I hope the kid makes it. His brother, Valentin is dubbed as something special as well. But we will see. Far too many times we’ve read as this kid as the next big thing and nothing ever happens. Only time will tell.

    https://www.goal.com/en/amp/news/fr...eenager-inter-new-zanetti/bltb86337756715fe2a


    But Franco is a pretty big kid.

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    I mean, if we’re going to play this game then in 86, Diego’s Hand of God is reversed and he probably gets a red and never scores the goal and we may never win our second World Cup.

    But in 1990, we are awarded a penalty v the West Germans and the West German penalty is never given.

    We can go on and on with this. All we can say is that we have to go by whatever the rules are for that period.


    And I think that was a penalty on Fatso.
     
  2. ganapordiego

    ganapordiego Member

    Estudiantes de La Plata
    Argentina
    Jul 10, 2021
    #15152 ganapordiego, Apr 16, 2022
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    Fwiw, Terry Fenwick, who already had a yellow, should’ve gotten a second yellow in the 1st half for blatantly elbowing Maradona in the face for no reason. So that coupled with the 1966 thievery made the Hand of God a nice dose of karma for England (let alone all the political stuff). The best part is that any other player would point to the Goal of the Century as the defining moment of his greatness, yet Diego seemed so much more pleased by the first goal (I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but this is always a fun convo right before the WC).

    All that said, I agree with you in that such things seem to balance themselves out (although I feel like since ‘86, Argentina has been on the losing end of far more controversial calls than it’s benefitted from).
     
  3. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I agree with you. If there was VAR in 86, I do not think Diego attempts the hand of god. Things do play out differently but we still win that World Cup. Nobody was stopping Diego that year.


    But yes, we should’ve won at least a couple World Cup’s since winning our last one.


    1990- Dive and a a penalty not awarded to us.
    94- We were the best team early in the tournament and then the witch-hunt for Diego starts.
    98- Redondo and Claudio miss the World Cup because DAP was a fool. Not to mention, Ortega losing his head. Bati hitting the post v the Dutch.
    02- Bielsa neglects Saviola and JRR. Starts Bati over Crespo. If the World Cup is held in 01, we win it, easily.
    06- Pekerman taking out JRR and leaving Messi on the bench. Pato’s injury as well.
    10- Diego’s nonsense. Leaving behind Cambiasso and Pupi.
    14- Fatso’s miss. Sabella taking out Pocho when he was causing all sorts of problems.
    18- Was a disaster and yet we still had our chances. Enzo missing a sitter V Croatia and the last second v France.


    Hell… We probably win 42 and 46 when we had the best players in the World Cup and the Germs decide to start a War(again) and lose(again).


    We probably should have 6-7 stars slapped on our shirt.
     
  4. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    Check out this British scout report about our 98 team pre-wc

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/argentina-have-hit-form-at-right-time-1163606.html

    For me it was very disappointing. I have few memories of watching Redondo and thinking he's the best midfielder. I don't know if its just nostalgia cuz I haven't really revisited his footage much but seeing how's he's the gold standard for midfiedlers to this day says something. The group stage was too easy for us but our performance VS England wasn't too convincing. A penalty and a set-piece goal and tight all the way to penalties even with red card bekham. I expected more based on the talent we had.
     
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  5. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #15155 Rattlehead, Apr 16, 2022
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    Yep, England got their winning goal in 66 final with a goal that never cross the line & Lampard goal which crossed the line in 2010 againts wasnt given, also againts Germany.

    Messi goal againts Mexico in 2006 wasnt given even though replay shows there's no offside, then his assist againts Mexico in 2010 was given despite an offside.

    Diego was fouled 20+ times in one game in 1982, 50+ times in 1986, 50 more times in 1990, his valid goal againts Uruguay was disallowed, he should have won penalty after the third goal in 86 final from Germany's double tackle, but never given.

    The question is, how many red was given to our opponents after those countless tackles? That hand goal just couldnt compare.

    Germany always given adventage when playing us.
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  6. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #15156 Rattlehead, Apr 16, 2022
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    To be fair, its not a big deal . Kun idolized R9 , Roberto Carlos idolized Diego, Suarez idolized Batigol, Crespo said he idolized Lineker. So many English players idolized Diego, such as Lampard, Ferdinand and Rooney. Ramos idolized Caniggia.

    But off course Kun answer is correct.

    Didnt we skipped CA that year? Just in time when our team was playing best football ever.
     
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  7. Christina99

    Christina99 Member+

    Argentina
    Sep 22, 2013
    Buenos Aires
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Preach
     
  8. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Veron was really spectacular in that World Cup. He was the lynchpin of the attack. The midfield had Simeone and Almeyda.

    But Redondo would’ve given us another dynamic.

    However, even Bati said that 98 team was missing something from the 94’team. He felt it was just slightly off from truly going after the Cup.

    But regardless, we should’ve been in the semis against Brasil, a team we had just beaten. And who knows, we win that and a final v France would’ve been a toss-up, IMO.
     
  9. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We skipped it because Colombia wasn’t exactly safe at that time. But regardless, we were not going to send a full team, IMO. If you looked at the 99 team, we didn’t take a full strength squad to that tournament either. Even the 04 side was missing key players.
     
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  10. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #15160 Rattlehead, Apr 17, 2022
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    I think Bati was at the end of his peak in 2001 where he scored 20 and won serie A. The next season which was the WC year, he was mostly sidelined by ankle injury & only scored 6 goals.

    2001 was pretty much the last time Bati played at top level. He never recovered from the ankle injury and eventually retired from it.

    1998 team was great but missing the X factor. 2006, there's the likes of Messi, Tevez, Maxi Rodriguez outside the regulars. Obviously Redondo absent was most damaging, the guy was CL MVP that season.
     
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  11. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    I remember that play like the back of my hand, as I saw it live with my father. The referee gave a free kick to us on the initial play when Diego went past the first set of Germans, rather than playing advantage.

    We really wanted the pen to be called as that would have given Diego a chance to equal Lineker as the World Cup top scorer too, and given us a 4-2 cushion. From the resulting free kick, Diego almost scored anyways, forcing Schumacher into a decent save.
     
  12. Rattlehead

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    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    True, the ref didnt blew the whistle when Diego passed the first double tackle, then Germany desperately had two commit another double tackle so the ref gave adventage for the Germans by giving them a foul from the first attempt instead of the second one.

    Dont think Diego ever interested for being top scorer though . So many moments in that WC particilarly against Belgium and Uruguay in which he could have easily scored himself but he's being too casual & generous. Those games should and could have been 4-0 or 5-0.

    Many times WC golden boots is won by non winners .
     
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  13. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007

    I know it’s off topic - but Diego was really something else that tournament. Have never seen that high of a peak anywhere.





    And despite the crazy amount of wonderful players we have produced, no one in world football even comes close to Maradona except for Messi.
     
  14. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    True, before there was not this crazy focus on stats. Joy of beautiful football was everything.

    In that era, CR7 would have been considered a great goal scorer - and that is it.
     
  15. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Messi with another nil performance. On top of it he has so much bad luck that whenever he makes an amazing play it invariably ends in:
    1) him hitting posts/crossbar.
    2) someone else squandering his passes.
    3) the play being annulled by shitty off-sides.


    About Sevilla to sum it up: they stopped attacking when Papu got subbed (at half-time, probably with some injury).
    Navas and Augustinsson are so much worse than Montiel and Acuña right now it's not even funny.
     
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  16. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I just looked at the goals, two penalties, 1 tap in and 1 error from the goalie that led to a goal. If Gio is scoring 4 in the Serie A and being called up to the first team, then I don’t think Castellanos is even on the radar.


    Now, if you said somebody like Magnín, I would have to agree with you.
     
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  18. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Atletico Madrid is interested on Lautaro and Im sure Simeone will improve Lautaro from being a hot head into a super hot head. He'd test Lautaro's temper by benching him in all big matches.

    Simeone will makes every Scaloni's squad a bench rider.
     
  19. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

     
  20. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. ganapordiego

    ganapordiego Member

    Estudiantes de La Plata
    Argentina
    Jul 10, 2021
    Hope he’s fit for the Finalissima.
     
  22. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I actually think we could beat them well even without Messi.
     
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  23. ganapordiego

    ganapordiego Member

    Estudiantes de La Plata
    Argentina
    Jul 10, 2021
    I agree, just know his time on the national team is coming to a close so I want to see him suit up as much as possible these last 6 months. Funny how time flies, as I can remember fairly recently being excited when he wouldn’t play as it would give the team experience for life without our number 10.
     
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  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It goes to show you how far Scaloni has improved the team since he took charge few years ago. He didnt seems disappointed when we lost in 2019 semi because he knew its still work in progress. I always said a pragmatic low profile manager like him and Sabella would be the one that suited our team. The likes of Bielsa, Diego, Sampa, even Tata, they got their own antics and always stubborn .

    I've been wanting Messi to step aside since 2017 , maybe not permanently retire but always wants us to play without him for many matches but clearly we're even worst without him back then. Now we've seen how the team performed without him in qualifier against teams that needed to win and we outplayed them. Granted Di Maria was there to led them but still, I have enough confidence now that Messi is not mandatory.
     
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  25. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    And just like that Lautaro decided to play his best game with the Inter shirt.

    This will silence critics there for a while.

    It seems the italians finally realized he can be the lone striker.
     
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