Pre-match: 2022 FIFA World Cup Draw - April 1, 2022 - 12 PM EDT

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by schrutebuck, Mar 30, 2022.

  1. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

    May 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    As I recall, there wasn't a lot of political circus in '98. It did seem that the Iranians were much more motivated to defeat the Americans than vice versa. Overall, we were quite dismal in that WC.
     
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  2. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    Anyone wanna give their opinion on Pot 3, best to worst?
     
  3. Craig P

    Craig P BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 26, 1999
    Eastern MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based purely on rankings, setting aside style of play, the teams I want to avoid are Wales and Peru, both of which are pot 2 level squads. The team I would most want to see is Tunisia (elo in the 60s but in pot 3), but the other African teams are mid-30s at best and also potentially good draws, especially Ghana at 71st in pot 4.
     
  4. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can I just say how fortunate it is the US is in Pot 2? Those other Pot 2 teams are murder, to not have to play them is the best thing that could've happened.
     
  5. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You’d think folks would want to avoid a team that’s riding a 31 game unbeaten streak and have beaten Brazil in Brazil in a cup final…
     
  6. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    That seems like a long way to go for a draw.
     
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  7. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe. It isn’t like Denmark, Uruguay, Croatian or Switzerland are exactly terrifying.
     
  8. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I remember the roses. And losing of course
     
  9. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For whatever reason all the coaches and related staff typically go.
     
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  11. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Qatar is obviously the weakest team in pot 1, but they were pretty competitive at the Gold Cup last summer and gave us a real game in the semifinals. How would we feel about playing them in a true away match vs. the traditional superpowers in pot 1?

    I still think I'd take my chances with Qatar, but it's not like it's going to be an easy game (not that there are ever easy games for us in a World Cup).
     
  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Switzerland is a really good team, something we saw first hand in our friendly last year, but then they also had a good Euros knocking out France. And then they finished ahead of Italy in their qualifying group.

    And Denmark made it all the Euro semis before they ran out of gas in extra time against England.

    Croatia and Uruguay I think are a step below those two, though both have lots of good players. Both are older teams though, and older teams tend to be most likely to underachieve in the World Cup.
     
  13. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How is Ghana looking these days? 'Cuz you know they'll be in our group.
     
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  14. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Can't ignore the context of that game last summer... it was very much a USA B team - I'll take my chances with Qatar in Qatar vs a traditional superpower.
     
  15. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think ideal draw would probably be Qatar, US, Tunisia, and the Euro Playoff team (which would ideally be Scotland)

    If we don't get Qatar we probably want a European team from pot 1, US, Tunisia, and Saudi Arabia. As for the nature of that European team the one's I'd most like to avoid are France, England, and Spain.
     
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  16. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I think Portugal is a great one, if you're a history buff! Then, of course, Ghana. And Iran for all kinds of messed up reasons.
     
  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Which isn't a group of death.

    I think TSS did this well: a group of death is one in which there are THREE teams that everyone would have expected to make it out of the group.

    The new seeding doesn't generally allow for this. Canada is a talented team with a chance at an upset, but they aren't a consensus Top 16 team, and if Brazil and Germany come out of that group, no one is going to be like "Oh, I can't believe Canada and Senegal are out."

    Groups of death are largely dead. If say, Portugal had gotten stuck in an unresolved UEFA situation with Ukraine, then maybe we'd have one.

    The hardest group DNE the group of death.
     
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  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Senegal is really really good. They're the African champions and have three players who'd start for any team in the world (Mane, Mendy, and Koulibaly). They're a team people should expect to get out of the group.

    Canada is a tougher case, but I really think they are going to surprise people at the World Cup and I would not want to be drawn with them compared to some of the other Pot 4 teams. More than anyone else they were screwed over by the FIFA rankings as the only reason they are in Pot 4 was because their ranking was so bad for so long and they were coming from so far back. The on paper best team in Pot 4 is probably Wales.
     
  19. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My guess is that they will also start preparation/planning for November/December (training facilities, stadiums, etc.).
     
  20. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3 PTO requests coming in hot tomorrow
     
  21. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    That's an odd take.
     
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  22. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It's not that I don't think Senegal is really good.

    I just don't think they are at the level that if they don't make the knockouts, people are really shocked. The whole point of a Group of Death is that there's a guaranteed knock out of a top team.

    Perhaps I am underrating them, and there's definitely a matter here of me not watching as much of the African teams. So maybe they are the most likely.

    But before all teams were seeded, you'd get situations where top ranked teams were put into groups together, and you don't get that anymore.

    I just think there's a difference between the hardest group and a Group of Death.
     
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  23. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    You'll likely be able to save at least 1 of those for the Round of 16 thanks to the holiday.
     
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  24. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    That’s a dumb take. England is probably going to win the tournament. We aren’t going to beat them.
     
  25. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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