The Ocho

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Patrick167, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. phillyfan593

    phillyfan593 Member

    Jul 20, 2011
    Our manager already said he’s putting his best lineup for the game. We are not freaking qualified. We’re not putting a B side in. Costa Rica will probably play a friendly match before then and they can get rid of those yellow/red cards. It’s a literally our last game in a hostile environment until the world cup. A great test.
     
  2. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    They would absolutely disqualify the offending team.

    The actual provision is here: https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/2df88...8QFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0jAhV93jPnQLq_yCbmPOtW

    "Any match which is not played or which is abandoned – except in cases of
    force majeure recognised by FIFA – may lead to the imposition of sanctions
    against the relevant associations by the FIFA Disciplinary Committee in
    accordance with the FIFA Disciplinary Code. In such cases, the FIFA Disciplinary
    Committee may also order that the match be replayed."

    The FIFA Disciplinary Code more or less says that FIFA can do whatever they want in that scenario.
     
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  3. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    We don’t bunker in CONCACAF
     
  4. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    Just want to pause for a moment to appreciate this run by Costa Rica after they were left for dead. 16 points from their last six games, with the only dropped points a draw at the Azteca.
     
  5. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty remarkable to think that if we hadn't pulled off a draw at Azteca, we would be looking at 4th place and a playoff with a loss to Costa Rica. This is what makes World Cup Qualifying so special -- the margins are so razor thin, and the consequences of failure are catastrophic.
     
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  6. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    And this is why I'm a bit sad tonight. Despite a 5-1 win. WCQ as we know it is coming to a close. It is absolutely my favorite time. Trumps the actual World Cup. The extended drama of it is unparalleled.

    Now a likley automatic bid followed by 6 CONCACAF reps. I'm sure there will be some year where we make it interesting, but really it should't be.

    End of the most exciting USA soccer era in some ways happened tonight/Wednesday.
     
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  7. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed - the World Cup is still the pinnacle of excitement for me, but I. Absolutely. Love. World Cup qualifying. I'm also kinda sad we're hosting the next World Cup because we won't get to experience something like this again for 7 years (and maybe never again in the same way, depending on what happens with future World Cup expansions).
     
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  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Indeed.....................and with the way New Zealand is playing, they're looking in really good shape for qualification. [Assuming they don't overturn our GD.] They showed a lot of pride, because it would have been so easy for the Ticos to throw in the towel.

    Also appreciation to Panama, who punched above their weight for 3/4ths of this qualifying campaign. They just fell at the last hurdle, and we knew that the last window was going to be hard for them.

    Honduras and El Salvador have fought till the end.

    Jamaica? Not so much.
     
  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The next time this group plays a WCQer at the Azteca............Pulisic, Adams, McKennie, etc. will be in their 30s.
     
  10. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #4760 Clint Eastwood, Mar 28, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2022
    Oh and thanks to FC Dallas.
    Its shocking how many former FCD homegrown players, draft picks, and current players have been part of this qualifying effort. They only mentioned some of them during the broadcast. Hell, Shaq Moore spent time at the FCD academy. I wouldn't even have him in an FC Dallas academy national team, but he played fine in a WCQer for the USMNT last night. [Id start Cannon and have Reynolds on the bench.]

    We're Pomykal and a goalkeeper away from a decent FCD starting XI for the national team. Oh, and if Gomez develops at left back we'd insert him. Right now we'd move a right back over to that side.

    It would be an enormous research project not worth doing.....................but I wonder which CONCACAF academies have produced the most minutes played during WCQers. I imagine its one of the big Central American clubs that produced the most minutes.
     
  11. canchon

    canchon Member

    Aug 22, 2008
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Costa Rica basically has half the team on a yellow card away from suspension - and if they go all out and the game gets feisty with a lot of cards, and CR doesn’t get the six goal win they need, they could get key players suspended for the playoff.

    we might see a boring game with CR protecting its players for the playoff.
     
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  12. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    If it’s 7 years from now, for the 2030 WC they’d all be exactly 30. Reyna would only be 26, Weah 29, Dest 28, Musah 27, Lletget 36….
     
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  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Agree in some respects, but as someone who appreciates the Gold Cup I’m not too disheartened to see qualifying change. Mexico vs. U.S. final trumps the qualifying games for me.
     
  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  15. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our best hope in the long run is that more teams in CONCACAF are able to raise their level so that things remain interesting in the future.
     
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  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And here are the raw numbers

     
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  17. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    FYI, in my Elo sim, the USA falls to 4th about 3 times in 10,000
     
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  18. Southern Man

    Southern Man Member

    Jun 14, 2008
    I ran a pythagorean points expected for these updated xG numbers to translate these into a projected standing:

    USA 25
    Mexico: 23
    Canada 22
    Panama 16
    Costa Rica 14
    Nicaragua 12
    Jamaica 11
    El Salvador 5
     
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  19. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I would not be opposed to actually having to qualify for 2026. I know it won't happen, but with six bids ... like, we're going to qualify. Mexico is going to qualify. Canada is going to qualify.

    If we can't find good games otherwise -- except against each other -- I'd like something competitive.
     
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  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    We might not ever play a qualifier at the Azteca again.

    With 6 teams qualifying, I can see them doing a double hexagonal, and if the US and Mexico stay 1-2 in the region, we'd never be drawn in the same hex.

    Qualifying for the 48-team World Cup is going to be so ********ing boring. Even worse when they inevitably expand to 64.
     
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  21. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    16 team Copa America again plz.
     
  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the way things are going it wouldn't be crazy for Canada to move up to 1 or 2 in the region.

    But overall agree with you on the 48 team World Cup and really wish they had just stuck to 32 which was the ideal number.
     
  23. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I imagine Mexico and the USMNT will be very interested in the 2024 Copa America.

    The question is whether it can logistically work in the Nations League era. There are just so many games already on the schedule. The Olympics, which we hope to qualify for, are also in the summer of 2024.
     
  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    My big hope is that since USA-Mexico drives sooooo much of the television money, CONCACAF doesn't do that.

    I also think CCAF has been smart over the years to protect their WC slots by having a model that tends to discourage upsets.
     
  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well one difference with the Olympics in 24 if we qualify is our best U23 team won't basically be our A team.

    If we had qualified Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Aaronson, Pepi, Sargent, Ferreira, Dike, McKennie, Adams, Musah, LDLT, Busio, Williamson, Robinson, Richards, McKenzie, EPB, Dest, Jedi, Bello, Vines, Cannon, and Reynolds all would have been eligible.

    This time around I believe of that group only Reyna, Pepi, Bello, Musah, and Busio are eligible. So you could send an A team to the Copa America and still have close to a first choice team for the Olympics too (depending on who clubs are willing to release).
     

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