2021-22 England Referee Assignments and Discussion [EPL/EFL/Cups+][R's]

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  1. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This SOT-MNC FA Cup game may make Mike Dean say, “Heck with this, I’m done.” The last 12 minutes have been nothing but 70m sprint repeats. Great to watch from a neutral view, but Dean’s being run ragged.

    Also, good penalty call. Dumb Southampton challenge to trip Jesus a yard inside the right side of the area. You have to call that one.
     
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  2. Mi3ke

    Mi3ke Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    New Mexico
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speaking of throw ins: Anyone else see Taylor make a call on the throw in about the 82nd minute in TOT/WHU? Nonverbally: you lifted your foot, what do you want me to do?

    Maybe this will work: https://photos.app.goo.gl/p9HxayeuEqMbzyDf8

    Cheers, Mi3ke
     
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  3. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  4. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I rewatched the Michael Oliver classic from last month where he gave Martinelli the two cautions in the same passage of play. For the obvious second yellow card, just for logistical reasons and my own knowledge, would you guys file this UB under SPA or reckless?

     
  5. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jeez, I was only trying to be a little funny with my comment. Guess he was seriously thinking it!! :(
     
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  6. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Amazing prediction! Long live Mike Dean! :D
     
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  7. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Well, he had a very good run, and did every top match possible in England.
    His international career was not spectacular, but unfortunately for him he was eclipsed by Webb and then Clattenburg during his time on the FIFA list.

    Maybe some of the other graybeards will follow his example and get out before their performances begin to decline anymore than they already have.

    PH
     
  8. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    It feels like referees with "character" will become a thing of the past. We had Marco Rodriguez, we have Dean and Mateu Lahoz, but they won't be around for much longer.
     
  9. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    There were many more in past years as well, both in England and other countries. It seems that those personalities are selected out in the the Darwinian quest for compliance and uniformity. :(

    PH
     
  10. meyers

    meyers Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    W. Mass
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Question. I've seen this a couple times in the last couple of weeks. Sorry don't remember what games though. (probably 1 was an Arsenal game) Anyway, a player was injured and a YC was given, but the Ref still made the injured player leave the field.

    Is this just something they are doing in the EPL? Or has there been a change to the Laws I missed?

    Thanks.
     
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No change. Best we can tell is that the PGMOL is taking the "quickly treated" part to be very quick to a point where we've never seen a player allowed to stay on that I've seen.
     
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  12. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    Check page 48 of this thread.
     
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  13. meyers

    meyers Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    W. Mass
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems like a waste of time to me. The Ref is waiting for the player to get up (unless they are stretchered off), and then instead of getting going, they wait for the player to go off the field. Then have to let them back on.

    Oh, well, just doesn't make any sense to me. But what do I know? Thanks though.
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally I'd love to see a player or manager actually raise a stink over it. Of course that would require them to know the laws.
     
  15. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
  16. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Matchweek 31

    Liverpool - Watford
    Referee: Stuart Attwell. Assistants: Marc Perry, Timothy Wood. Fourth official: Tony Harrington. VAR: John Brooks. Assistant VAR: Simon Bennett.

    Brighton - Norwich
    Referee: Simon Hooper. Assistants: Scott Ledger, Derek Eaton. Fourth official: Thomas Bramall. VAR: Kevin Friend. Assistant VAR: Simon Beck.

    Burnley - Man City
    Referee: Craig Pawson. Assistants: Harry Lennard, Richard West. Fourth official: Michael Salisbury. VAR: Jonathan Moss. Assistant VAR: Constantine Hatzidakis.

    Chelsea - Brentford
    Referee: Chris Kavanagh. Assistants: Dan Cook, Wade Smith. Fourth official: Andy Madley. VAR: David Coote. Assistant VAR: Lee Betts.

    Leeds - Southampton
    Referee: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. Fourth official: Robert Jones. VAR: Mike Dean. Assistant VAR: Neil Davies.

    Wolves - Aston Villa
    Referee: Darren England. Assistants: Adrian Holmes, Matthew Wilkes. Fourth official: Darren Bond. VAR: Lee Mason. Assistant VAR: Stuart Burt.

    Man Utd - Leicester
    Referee: Andre Marriner. Assistants: Darren Cann, Ian Hussin. Fourth official: Martin Atkinson. VAR: Michael Oliver. Assistant VAR: Simon Long.

    West Ham - Everton
    Referee: Michael Oliver. Assistants: Stuart Burt, Simon Bennett. Fourth official: David Coote. VAR: Andy Madley. Assistant VAR: Nick Hopton.

    Tottenham - Newcastle
    Referee: Martin Atkinson. Assistants: Lee Betts, Simon Long. Fourth official: Graham Scott. VAR: Paul Tierney. Assistant VAR: Sian Massey-Ellis.

    Crystal Palace - Arsenal
    Referee: Paul Tierney. Assistants: Constantine Hatzidakis, Neil Davies. Fourth official: Peter Bankes. VAR: Jarred Gillett. Assistant VAR: Wade Smith.

    Burnley - Everton
    Referee: Mike Dean. Assistants: Eddie Smart, Mark Scholes. Fourth official: Kevin Friend. VAR: Darren England. Assistant VAR: Adrian Holmes.
     
  17. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    "Big" matches:

    Leicester - Man City (Community Shield): Tierney
    Tottenham - Man City: Taylor
    Arsenal - Chelsea: Tierney
    Man City - Arsenal: Atkinson
    Liverpool - Chelsea: Taylor
    Leicester - Man City: Tierney
    Tottenham - Chelsea: Tierney
    Chelsea - Man City: Oliver
    Arsenal - Tottenham: Pawson
    Liverpool - Man City: Tierney
    Leicester - Man Utd: Pawson
    Man Utd - Liverpool: Taylor
    Leicester - Arsenal: Oliver
    Tottenham - Man Utd: Attwell
    Man Utd - Man City: Oliver
    Leicester - Chelsea: Tierney
    Liverpool - Arsenal: Oliver
    Chelsea - Man Utd: Taylor
    Everton - Liverpool: Tierney
    Man Utd - Arsenal: Atkinson
    Leicester - Tottenham: Pawson
    Tottenham - Liverpool: Tierney
    Liverpool - Leicester (EFL Cup): A. Madley
    Man City - Leicester: Kavanagh
    Leicester - Liverpool: Marriner
    Arsenal - Man City: Attwell
    Chelsea - Liverpool: Taylor
    Chelsea - Tottenham (EFL Cup): Pawson
    Tottenham - Chelsea (EFL Cup): Marriner
    Liverpool - Arsenal (EFL Cup): Oliver
    Man City - Chelsea: Pawson
    Chelsea - Tottenham: Tierney
    Leicester - Tottenham: Moss
    Arsenal - Liverpool (EFL Cup): Atkinson
    Liverpool - Leicester: Kavanagh
    Man City - Tottenham: Taylor
    Chelsea - Liverpool (EFL Cup): Attwell
    Man City - Man Utd: Oliver
    Man Utd - Tottenham: Moss
    Arsenal - Leicester: Taylor
    Arsenal - Liverpool: Marriner
    Man Utd - Leicester: Marriner

    Distribution of these matches in the EPL:

    Tierney: 8
    Taylor: 7
    Oliver: 5
    Pawson: 4
    Marriner: 3
    Atkinson: 2
    Attwell: 2
    Kavanagh: 2
    Moss: 2
     
  18. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Penalty given correctly by VAR in the Liverpool-Watford match today. Very blatant and obvious "rugby style" hold/takedown during a right side corner kick. The referee (Attwell) could not see it because of his standard stationary position 20 yards out and his focus elsewhere.

    This could be corrected if a deeper and wider position is used during thee corners, as was previously the case. This foul is then in his line of vision, and easily seen without VAR intervention. Or maybe it doesn't occur at all because the defender knows he will be seen.

    PH
     
  19. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    So is this a guy notorious for being a poor referee or something? I don't know him, and it's good they fixed it, but his VAR penalty signal was pretty weak lol. Usually the ref makes a big demonstrative point towards the spot. He just did an open palm pointed up nonchalantly pointing over there.
     
  20. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    Did anyone see McTominay's caution for his tackle on Madison in the Manchester United vs. Leicester game today (49min). How on earth have we got to the situation where fouls like this, and the Costa Rica vs. Canada example, are not clear red cards for the powers-that-be?
     
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  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Manchester City vs Liverpool

    Referee: Anthony Taylor
    Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn
    Fourth official: Andre Marriner
    VAR: Paul Tierney
    Assistant VAR: Timothy Wood.
     
  22. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Matchweek 32

    Newcastle - Wolves
    Referee: Peter Bankes. Assistants: James Mainwaring, Wade Smith. Fourth official: Tony Harrington. VAR: Jarred Gillett. Assistant VAR: Derek Eaton.

    Everton - Man Utd
    Referee: Jonathan Moss. Assistants: Marc Perry, Timothy Wood. Fourth official: Martin Atkinson. VAR: Andy Madley. Assistant VAR: Eddie Smart.

    Arsenal - Brighton
    Referee: David Coote. Assistants: Ian Hussin, Nick Hopton. Fourth official: Robert Jones. VAR: Chris Kavanagh. Assistant VAR: Sian Massey-Ellis.

    Southampton - Chelsea
    Referee: Kevin Friend. Assistants: Adrian Holmes, Simon Beck. Fourth official: Josh Smith. VAR: Lee Mason. Assistant VAR: Matthew Wilkes.

    Watford - Leeds
    Referee: Andre Marriner. Assistants: Simon Long, Scott Ledger. Fourth official: Simon Hooper. VAR: Mike Dean. Assistant VAR: Neil Davies.

    Aston Villa - Tottenham
    Referee: Graham Scott. Assistants: Harry Lennard, Mark Scholes. Fourth official: Craig Pawson. VAR: Jarred Gillett. Assistant VAR: Lee Betts.

    Brentford - West Ham
    Referee: Martin Atkinson. Assistants: Lee Betts, Constantine Hatzidakis. Fourth official: Simon Hooper. VAR: Lee Mason. Assistant VAR: Darren Cann.

    Leicester - Crystal Palace
    Referee: Robert Jones. Assistants: Dan Cook, Dan Robathan. Fourth official: Jonathan Moss. VAR: Peter Bankes. Assistant VAR: Ian Hussin.

    Norwich - Burnley
    Referee: Michael Oliver. Assistants: Stuart Burt, Simon Bennett. Fourth official: Andy Madley. VAR: John Brooks. Assistant VAR: Nick Hopton.

    Man City - Liverpool
    Referee: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. Fourth official: Andre Marriner. VAR: Paul Tierney. Assistant VAR: Timothy Wood.


    Taylor for match of the season.
     
  23. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    "Big" matches:

    Leicester - Man City (Community Shield): Tierney
    Tottenham - Man City: Taylor
    Arsenal - Chelsea: Tierney
    Man City - Arsenal: Atkinson
    Liverpool - Chelsea: Taylor
    Leicester - Man City: Tierney
    Tottenham - Chelsea: Tierney
    Chelsea - Man City: Oliver
    Arsenal - Tottenham: Pawson
    Liverpool - Man City: Tierney
    Leicester - Man Utd: Pawson
    Man Utd - Liverpool: Taylor
    Leicester - Arsenal: Oliver
    Tottenham - Man Utd: Attwell
    Man Utd - Man City: Oliver
    Leicester - Chelsea: Tierney
    Liverpool - Arsenal: Oliver
    Chelsea - Man Utd: Taylor
    Everton - Liverpool: Tierney
    Man Utd - Arsenal: Atkinson
    Leicester - Tottenham: Pawson
    Tottenham - Liverpool: Tierney
    Liverpool - Leicester (EFL Cup): A. Madley
    Man City - Leicester: Kavanagh
    Leicester - Liverpool: Marriner
    Arsenal - Man City: Attwell
    Chelsea - Liverpool: Taylor
    Chelsea - Tottenham (EFL Cup): Pawson
    Tottenham - Chelsea (EFL Cup): Marriner
    Liverpool - Arsenal (EFL Cup): Oliver
    Man City - Chelsea: Pawson
    Chelsea - Tottenham: Tierney
    Leicester - Tottenham: Moss
    Arsenal - Liverpool (EFL Cup): Atkinson
    Liverpool - Leicester: Kavanagh
    Man City - Tottenham: Taylor
    Chelsea - Liverpool (EFL Cup): Attwell
    Man City - Man Utd: Oliver
    Man Utd - Tottenham: Moss
    Arsenal - Leicester: Taylor
    Arsenal - Liverpool: Marriner
    Man Utd - Leicester: Marriner
    Man City - Liverpool: Taylor

    Distribution of these matches in the EPL:

    Tierney: 8
    Taylor: 8
    Oliver: 5
    Pawson: 4
    Marriner: 3
    Atkinson: 2
    Attwell: 2
    Kavanagh: 2
    Moss: 2
     
  24. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting that Tierney's usage in these big games (at least as the ref) has slowed down fairly significantly.
     
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  25. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Putting "big" in quotes may make some posters here happier :D
     
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