2022 MLS Week 04 Referee Discussion

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  1. A66C

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    #1 A66C, Mar 17, 2022
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    03/19/22

    FC Cincinnati vs Inter Miami
    TQL Stadium (1PM ET)
    REF: Ismir Pekmic
    AR1: Lyes Arfa
    AR2: Tyler Wyrostek
    4TH: Rubiel Vazquez
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Eric Weisbrod

    New York City FC vs Philadelphia Union
    Yankee Stadium (1PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Kathryn Nesbitt
    4TH: Luis Arroyo
    VAR: Jon Freemon
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    Toronto FC vs D.C. United
    BMO Field (3PM ET)
    REF: Ramy Touchan
    AR1: Brian Dunn
    AR2: Matthew Nelson
    4TH: Drew Fischer
    VAR: Fotis Bazakos
    AVAR: Gianni Facchini

    LA Galaxy vs Orlando City
    Dignity Health Sports Park (3:30PM ET) on Univision
    REF: Alex Chilowicz
    AR1: Micheal Barwegen
    AR2: Chris Wattam
    4TH: Ricardo Fierro
    VAR: Victor Rivas
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    Atlanta United vs CF Montréal
    Mercedes-Benz Stadium (4PM ET)
    REF: Chris Penso
    AR1: Jeremy Hanson
    AR2: Corey Parker
    4TH: Sergii Demianchuk
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    Chicago Fire vs Sporting Kansas City
    Soldier Field (6PM ET)
    REF: Timothy Ford *1st assignment this season
    AR1: Chris Elliott
    AR2: Gjovalin Bori
    4TH: Calin Radosav
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: Robert Schaap

    Charlotte FC vs New England Revolution
    Bank of America Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Marcos DeOliveira
    AR1: Andrew Bigelow
    AR2: Diego Blas
    4TH: Thomas Snyder
    VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki-

    Minnesota United vs San Jose Earthquakes
    Allianz Field (8PM ET)
    REF: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Ian McKay
    4TH: Chris Ruska
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Jeff Muschik

    FC Dallas vs Portland Timbers
    Toyota Stadium (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Jason White
    AR2: Meghan Mullen *1st assignment this season
    4TH: Matt Thompson
    VAR: Armando Villarreal
    AVAR: Chantal Boudreau

    Houston Dynamo vs Colorado Rapids
    PNC Stadium (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Nima Saghafi
    AR1: Nick Uranga
    AR2: Art Arustamyan
    4TH: Ismail Elfath
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    Real Salt Lake vs Nashville
    Rio Tinto Stadium (9:30PM ET)
    REF: Tori Penso *1st assignment this season
    AR1: Jose Da Silva
    AR2: Brooke Mayo *1st assignment this season
    4TH: Jair Marrufo
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Peter Balciunas

    03/20/22

    New York Red Bulls vs Columbus Crew
    Red Bull Arena (2PM ET)
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Justin Howard
    4TH: Luis Arroyo
    VAR: Jon Freemon
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    Austin FC vs Seattle Sounders
    Q2 Stadium (4:30PM ET) on FS1
    REF: Lukasz Szpala
    AR1: CJ Morgante
    AR2: Jeffrey Greeson
    4TH: Armando Villarreal
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    Los Angeles FC vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    Banc of California Stadium (10PM ET)
    REF: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AR1: Adam Garner
    AR2: Jeremy Kieso
    4TH: Ricardo Fierro
    VAR: Victor Rivas
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar
     
  2. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I realize that we are probably talking about a small sample size since Tori Penso started getting MLS whistles, but is this the first time two females have been part of the four-person on-field crew in recent MLS history?
     
  3. Thug Mentality

    May 30, 2011
    A matter of time until Nesbitt, Simon, and Chenard get placed with Penso and Mayo.
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m not sure Webb will go for that. It just feels gimmicky. Better to keep the attention on (or off) the female officials for their performances in their own right. You make that assignment and it’s a controversial game and then it becomes a thing. But I might be wrong.

    As to the original question, pretty sure Nesbitt has been paired with female fourth officials before. But I also might be wrong there.
     
  5. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There have been games with Nesbitt/Felisha Mariscal as the ARs so definitely not the first time.
     
  6. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

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    Oct 18, 2020
    Very rare mistaken identity OFR in the 33rd minute of Cincinnati - Miami. Complicated situation because two defenders were involved in the challenge but he gave the yellow to the opposite player from the one he meant to.
     
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  7. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    6-8-7-3-9 is the yellow card count so far today, plus am SFP red. Following on what I said last week; the misconduct average has to be way up.
     
  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yellows were pushing 5.0/g going into this week. Early still, but a very notable uptick.
     
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  9. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was paying some attention to the first half of NYC-PHI, and it know Unkel gave at least one dissent yellow. I think it was two.

    Also a really good use of VAR to rule a NYC handling that was tough to see real time. This was a big call, as it would have been a PK and a DOGSO red for a push had the handling gone unpunished. In my opinion, that’s the kind of play where VAR can be helpful.
     
  10. A66C

    A66C Member

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    Jan 3, 2022
    Chris Penso has already booked 30 players through 4 matches, including 6 for time wasting
     
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  11. soccerref69420

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    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    You guys should look at the comments on this reddit thread about the Montreal-Atlanta SFP RC today. It's hilarious to watch the comments show "wtf how is that a red ref sucks! edit: whoops didn't see the other angle, wow thats a horrible challenge". But any comments complimenting the ref for seeing it? Of course not

    https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ti5llq/atlanta_united_1_3_cf_montreal_dom_dwyer_red_card/

    Is there any way to see misconducts given in MLS without actually watching all the games? The MLS website has the red card videos up.

    I'm watching some old Family Matters episodes, every time I see "Unkel" I think it's "Urkel". Wonder if he got a lot of jokes about his name in the 90s.
     
  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    interesting no-offside call on the Rapids goal against Houston. Talking with @ManiacalClown he more sure the goal-scorer is likely onside when it hits off the other Rapids attacker's back than I am.
     
  13. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You would think that teams would get the message after seeing those statistics.
     
  14. RefIADad

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    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dax McCarty showing why MLS needs a multiple-game suspension for VC or SFP as
    other leagues have at the end of RSL-NSH. A blatant stomp to MLS debutante Bode Davis in the 95th minute that Tori Penso immediately determined as VC. Red mist moment of the highest order.
     
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  15. StarTime

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    Oct 18, 2020
    To be fair, that angle is pretty crappy. When I look at that ankle it looks like he just kicks him in the foot. On the broadcast angles you can see much more clearly that it’s studs to knee/thigh.
     
  16. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I watched bits and pieces of a few matches today, and I feel like there’s starting to be some inconsistencies regarding the points of emphasis. Some refs are still being super strict regarding SPA, but in other games you see more leniency (example: the PK in Atlanta).
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure I buy “immediately determined.” It’s the right call, but it took 10 seconds or so and AR input. Which is totally fine at the professional level, most of the time, where players understand officials can take a beat to be sure before showing the card. But at lower levels, that card needs to be out a lot faster.
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But SPA in the penalty area gets downgraded.

    EDIT.. yes, I know the “attempts to play the ball” language. So you have a point on leniency there. But it’s not like Penso is shying away from misconduct decisions generally so it’s a tough example to use to prove a larger point.
     
  19. ref29

    ref29 Member

    Nov 8, 2010
    Where is Petrescu?
     
  20. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I was watching, I thought the delay was more to quell the mass confrontation first and then showing McCarty his red. But I can understand your point that Penso should have been running in with red in hand.
     
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  21. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really hope they stick with the DR and FRD yellows. I think it will take another 4-6 weeks of almost zero tolerance before we see a general shift in player behavior. As a consumer, I want to see the ball in play and quick restarts.

    Is anyone keeping track of the cards and reasons? I bet we've had more DR and FRD cards this year than every year previous combined.
     
  22. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Two yellow cards issued against the Red Bulls for dissent. Since NY's Casseres already had one, he wasn't able to commit a tactical foul vs the Crew on what wound up being the tying goal on the final play of the match.

    In the 34th minute, a Red Bull ballboy actually held onto the ball to prevent a quick Crew throw-in in their offensive third of the field. Dickerson actually had to come over. Haven't seen that in a while.
     
  23. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Lukasz Szpala did an excellent job in today's Austin-Seattle match, especially considering it was only his 9th MLS match ever.

    Got pretty much every call correct, and kept a lid on what was a very energetic match with good communication to the players.
     
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  24. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Yes of course it was. Point is that seeing the real time of fans immediately going from "wtf is this ref doing HE SUCKS" from a terrible angle to "oh wow that's bad I see why it was given" is funny
     
  25. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     

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