2022 MLS Week 03 Referee Discussion

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  1. A66C

    A66C Member

    N/A
    United States
    Jan 3, 2022
    03/12/22

    New York City FC vs CF Montréal
    Yankee Stadium (1PM ET)
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Ian Anderson
    AR2: Logan Brown
    4TH: Thomas Snyder
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: Claudiu Badea

    Columbus Crew vs Toronto FC
    Lower.com Field (1:30PM ET)
    REF: Ismail Elfath
    AR1: Corey Parker
    AR2: Kyle Atkins
    4TH: Ismir Pekmic
    VAR: Geoff Gamble
    AVAR: Peter Manikowski

    Inter Miami CF vs Los Angeles FC
    DRV PNK Stadium (1:30PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Ryan Graves
    4TH: Alyssa Nichols
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Robert Schaap

    Seattle Sounders vs LA Galaxy
    Lumen Field (3:30PM ET) on FOX
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Jeremy Hanson
    AR2: Jeff Hosking
    4TH: Greg Dopka
    VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    Houston Dynamo vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    PNC Stadium (6:30PM ET)
    REF: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Jeffrey Swartzel
    4TH: Eric Tattersall
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    D.C. United vs Chicago Fire
    Audi Field (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Andrew Bigelow
    AR2: Kevin Klinger
    4TH: Luis Arroyo
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Diego Blas

    New England Revolution vs Real Salt Lake
    Gillette Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Kathryn Nesbitt
    AR2: Gianni Facchini
    4TH: Sergii Demianchuk
    VAR: Fotis Bazakos
    AVAR: Eric Weisbrod

    Orlando City vs FC Cincinnati
    Exploria Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Chris Penso
    AR1: CJ Morgante
    AR2: Cameron Blanchard
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Alejandro Mariscal
    AVAR: Nick Uranga

    Philadelphia Union vs San Jose Earthquakes
    Subaru Park (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Victor Rivas
    AR1: Matthew Nelson
    AR2: Jeffrey Greeson
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Chico Grajeda
    AVAR: Peter Balciunas

    FC Dallas vs Nashville
    Toyota Stadium (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Ramy Touchan
    AR1: Brian Dunn
    AR2: Gjovalin Bori
    4TH: Jeremy Scheer
    VAR: Jon Freemon
    AVAR: Jennifer Garner

    Colorado Rapids vs Sporting Kansas City
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9PM ET)
    REF: Alex Chilowicz
    AR1: Jeremy Kieso
    AR2: Adam Garner
    4TH: Ricardo Fierro
    VAR: Rosendo Mendoza
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki

    Portland Timbers vs Austin FC
    Providence Park (10PM ET)
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Mike Rottersman
    AR2: Chris Elliott
    4TH: Brad Jensen
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Rene Parra

    03/13/2022

    Atlanta United vs Charlotte FC
    Mercedes-Benz Stadium (3:30PM ET) on FS1
    REF: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AR1: Jason White
    AR2: Ian McKay
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    New York Red Bulls vs Minnesota United
    Red Bull Arena (6PM ET)
    REF: Lukasz Szpala
    AR1: Jose Da Silva
    AR2: Tyler Wyrostek
    4TH: Thomas Snyder
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: Claudiu Badea
     
  2. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was only appropriate that a Canadian was in the middle for the Snow Bowl in Foxborough, wasn’t it?

    My wife and I are watching the replay of this game at half of the Timbers-Austin game. She is beside herself that they even played it. I told her the bar to call off a game is way higher than a youth game.
     
  3. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    1) Several of the Revolution players immediately complained after the tying goal that the ball was not stationary on the free kick as a gust of wind caused it to move:

    https://www.boston.com/sports/new-e...ive-revolution-loss-real-salt-lake-snow-game/

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/competitions/mls-regular-season/2022/matches/nevsrsl-03-12-2022/


    This was the referee crew response (summing it up that the movement of the ball was trifling):

    “First: At the taking of the free kick, the focus of the officiating team is primarily on the block of players challenging in the penalty area. There is negligible movement of the ball just prior to it being kicked however this was not seen by the officiating team; Second: This incident is outside the VAR Protocol and the VAR is not permitted to intervene.”


    2) Nice job by Fischer not calling a PK on RSL's first goal (announcers claim he had the whistle in his mouth) and letting play go on for a few seconds as the ball went to a teammate for a goal.
     
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  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    “The ball was moving. They looked at it and they said it didn’t move. We have the most inefficient use of VAR, probably, in the world,” said Arena.

    Proving, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Arena does not regularly watch EPL (or any other top leagues). Not that he should have the time to, necessarily. But making this claim is just laughable. Even more so when he’s lying about them saying they looked at it and it didn’t move (as the referee statement says it did move but they couldn’t look at it—the exact opposite of what Arena asserts).

    Just all-around hot garbage from Arena in that quote.
     
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  5. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    I'm sure playing in a blizzard wasn't fun for anyone.

    Looks like the DR crackdown is already over. RIP.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A particular play?
     
  7. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Yeah, very early in ATL v CLT, player called for a foul winged the ball down the field. I think he might have gotten a warning.

    The NY v MIN game has been very testy. Both teams are mad about everything. I feel bad for this referee. The players seem to feel the need to haze the rookies. I don't know why anyone does this job.
     
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  8. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Clear handball. But is it clearly in the penalty area?
     
  10. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    well it looks like it to me but to your point, no, not clearly in the penalty

    It sure seems like the referee has a good enough look at it (makes the "No!" hand signal after the play) - I am curious what the procedure is if it was clearly in the penalty area? Do they say "you think you saw this but you REALLY need to look at this again?"

    Apologiesf this has all been addressed in the last few years and I just missed it
     
  11. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    the R always has the decision on whether to look, but it would be very unusual for an R to not look if the VAR recommends it. The Rs signal of no HB has nothing to do with whether the VAR recommends an OFR for a clear and obvious error.
     
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  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He puts his whistle to his mouth before making that "NO" signal, so he definitely saw something. My guess is he's seen the contact but convinced himself, before whistling, that it wasn't a punishable handball.

    The VAR intervention line here is pretty basic. If she can establish A) it's clearly a punishbale handball and B) it's clearly in the penalty area, she sends it down. If she can't establish both, she can't send it down. I think we all agree the A box is checked. But unless there's a better angle available, B isn't. In fact, there might be an angle that actually shows it's clearly outside (I'm just speculating on that).

    Long way of saying this one falls on the referee, not the VAR.
     
  13. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    What are everyone’s thoughts on the hand ball penalty that WAS given in NYvMIN? My gut reaction was penalty, but the more I looked at it, the less unnatural the position of the arm looked. The arm moves outwards a little but to me it looked natural as the defender was turning to shield the attacker. It can be given, but clear and obvious? Am I off track here?
     
  14. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    I'm not going to seek out the video (I was there live), but there were multiple DR moments in Chapman's SEA/LAG game - standing on top of the ball, tossing it high and away, kicking it away on the field, etc. - by players with a YC and by players without - all of them were ignored.
     
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  15. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    The current view, at least in MLS, seems to be that HB is inherently C&O because there are clear guidelines. Shrug. I think that's nuts, but that seems to be the application.
     
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  16. WrathofDog

    WrathofDog Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Mar 12, 2019
    Just saw that MLS issued a mass confrontation warning to Charlotte for the game against Atlanta. The video doesn't really do justice to the amount of shihousery that Charlotte was doing through the game.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/char...ng-for-violation-of-mass-confrontation-policy

    The PK sequence was a mess - mass confrontation, players entering the cleared out box to mess with Josef standing over the ball while the ref gave instruction to the keeper, another mass confrontation. Lots of contact with the ref throughout the game.

    The disallowed AUFC goal in the 1st half was a mess as well

    I'm assuming that the ref was close enough and felt Alonso's shove to the defender was clear enough for the call. But that level of contact happens in 90% of set pieces in the league without a quick whistle. #21 sticking a leg out to trip Joself was after the push, but was a bad look as part of the same play.

    As an Atlanta fan, the result was fair and I'm happier with breaking their hearts than having them chase a 2 goal lead, so...
     
  17. GoDawgsGo

    GoDawgsGo Member+

    Nov 11, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gonna have to take off the fan goggles. Alonso was setting a pick, and this ain't basketball.
     
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  18. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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