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4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

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I don't condone mistreatment of animals and think most of the punishment is justified towards Kurt Zouma. But kicking a cat ended this dude's career. Sponsors dropped him and West Ham. His brothers career is also over.

Suarez bit people and said racist stuff and yet came back to football like nothing happened. The punishment seems dispropotionate.

I get it, cats and dogs are better than most people! But dang man. Dude is finished.

Let this be a lesson kids. Don't be a piece of trash to anyone.
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I think the punishment is appropriate for being this much of a dummy. The guy put this on his own snapchat, thinking it's absolutely hilarious. When you're that stupid, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when you're going to mess up.

Jan Blachowicz offered him a job opportunity. I think he should take him up on it.

yoanaidarov · Feb 11, 2022

saadomar said: ↑

I don't condone mistreatment of animals and think most of the punishment is justified towards Kurt Zouma. But kicking a cat ended this dude's career. Sponsors dropped him and West Ham. His brothers career is also over.

Suarez bit people and said racist stuff and yet came back to football like nothing happened. The punishment seems dispropotionate.

I get it, cats and dogs are better than most people! But dang man. Dude is finished.

Let this be a lesson kids. Don't be a piece of trash to anyone.
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Just because someone else got away with something doesn’t mean Zouma should receive less of a punishment. I’m sure that if the Suarez bite incident happens today, his career will be over.

4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

yoanaidarov said: ↑

Just because someone else got away with something doesn’t mean Zouma should receive less of a punishment. I’m sure that if the Suarez bite incident happens today, his career will be over.
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Nah, again a key factor is doing something to a person that can defend themselves.

Like, if Zouma walks up to a heavyweight fighter in any kind of category and does the same he gets folded up like a croissant at the bakery and he doesn't look like anything else but a victim.

Serengeti_Boy · Feb 11, 2022

Digital said: ↑

Consequences might have been worse for him if he'd done it to a cat
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I think this situation is more about people loving animals than any other humans rather than Zouma being black as some angle people have tried to put up.

4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

Serengeti_Boy said: ↑

I think this situation is more about people loving animals than any other humans rather than Zouma being black as some angle people have tried to put up.
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It's about Zouma doing it to an unprotected creature unable to defend itself.

Bet you won't see him jump into a lions cage and try that shit on an animal that can tear him to shreds.

Strong kicking down on the weak is a pathetic human attribute.

Whataboutism in its purest form, "but what about Suarez? What about the victims of xyz?" they are not part of this story.

Serengeti_Boy · Feb 11, 2022

4x4s said: ↑

It's about Zouma doing it to an unprotected creature unable to defend itself.

Bet you won't see him jump into a lions cage and try that shit on an animal that can tear him to shreds.

Strong kicking down on the weak is a pathetic human attribute.

Whataboutism in its purest form, "but what about Suarez? What about the victims of xyz?" they are not part of this story.
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Yeah a hungry Gorilla vs Zouma is a different story. As someone mentioned above the Suarez/Hazard incidences would be worse with a defense less animal. Way worse.

saadomar · Feb 11, 2022

Interestingly, West Ham took action and immediately denounced Zouma's actions and docked wages, yet sponsors are dropping them for the action of two shitty people (Zouma and his brother). West Ham is better off just getting rid of him asap because they're paying for his idiocy.

Mason Greenwood abuses his ex-gf, yet sponsors aren't dropping Man Utd for that shitbag's actions. P.R. for Man Utd definitely knows damage control. They dropped him indefinitely pending investigation not only because it's right, but also to protect their reputation. West Ham could learn a thing or two from them.

4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

saadomar said: ↑

Interestingly, West Ham took action and immediately denounced Zouma's actions and docked wages, yet sponsors are dropping them for the action of two shitty people (Zouma and his brother). West Ham is better off just getting rid of him asap because they're paying for his idiocy.

Mason Greenwood abuses his ex-gf, yet sponsors aren't dropping Man Utd for that shitbag's actions. P.R. for Man Utd definitely knows damage control. They dropped him indefinitely pending investigation not only because it's right, but also to protect their reputation. West Ham could learn a thing or two from them.
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Manchester United is run by a US investment business collective, West Ham by a former Welsh pornographer.

Digital · Feb 11, 2022

4x4s said: ↑

Nah, again a key factor is doing something to a person that can defend themselves.

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I'm sure the little kid the Eden kicked could defend himself

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Digital · Feb 11, 2022

4x4s said: ↑

It's about Zouma doing it to an unprotected creature unable to defend itself.

Bet you won't see him jump into a lions cage and try that shit on an animal that can tear him to shreds.

Strong kicking down on the weak is a pathetic human attribute.

Whataboutism in its purest form, "but what about Suarez? What about the victims of xyz?" they are not part of this story.
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Strong kicking down the weak is a human attribute ? just humans? maybe not kicking but........., nothing is "jumping in to a Lions cage and try that shit on an animal that can tear it/him to shreds", they are grown human beings who are unable to protect themselves for various reasons, this nonsense about whataboutism is just another cop out that we hear often when it comes to certain discussions, i'm sorry to have got back into this, carry on....

Digital · Feb 11, 2022

Serengeti_Boy said: ↑

I think this situation is more about people loving animals than any other humans rather than Zouma being black as some angle people have tried to put up.
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I think i got into this discussion when it was posited that anyone who thinks that they are people out there who love animals more that they love other people are "out of touch with reality" i think those were the words, or something to that effect, that's what i was/am speaking about at this time, but the convo seems to have evolved, apologies to the moderators for all my off topic posts

dooda · Feb 11, 2022

saadomar said: ↑

Interestingly, West Ham took action and immediately denounced Zouma's actions and docked wages, yet sponsors are dropping them for the action of two shitty people (Zouma and his brother). West Ham is better off just getting rid of him asap because they're paying for his idiocy.

Mason Greenwood abuses his ex-gf, yet sponsors aren't dropping Man Utd for that shitbag's actions. P.R. for Man Utd definitely knows damage control. They dropped him indefinitely pending investigation not only because it's right, but also to protect their reputation. West Ham could learn a thing or two from them.
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Manchester denounced greenwood's actions straight away. West Ham decided F it it's just a cat, played Zouma the next game and Moyes had the audacity to come out to the presser and be like my job is to pick the best team.

Once their own fans attacked them and their own sponsors threatened to pull out if they don't handle it did West Ham react.

4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

dooda said: ↑

Manchester denounced greenwood's actions straight away. West Ham decided F it it's just a cat, played Zouma the next game and Moyes had the audacity to come out to the presser and be like my job is to pick the best team.

Once their own fans attacked them and their own sponsors threatened to pull out if they don't handle it did West Ham react.
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It's pointless to ddiscuss it, whoever doesn't see anything wrong with what this guy done simply doesn't have any compassion for animals.

Drouchk · Feb 11, 2022

4x4s said: ↑

It's pointless to ddiscuss it, whoever doesn't see anything wrong with what this guy done simply doesn't have any compassion for animals.
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There is a difference between seeing what he did wrong and wanting him fired over it, for me Zuma should 1) be fined, with the money being donated to animal shelters, 2) not be allowed to own pets either for a while or indefinitely, 3) have him take sensitivity trainings. But he should still be allowed to be a footballer.

and I also find it hard to take non vegans seriously when it comes to animal rights.

this is pretty much most of the people that want Zuma fired for what he’s done.

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4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

Drouchk said: ↑

There is a difference between seeing what he did wrong and wanting him fired over it, for me Zuma should 1) be fined, with the money being donated to animal shelters, 2) not be allowed to own pets either for a while or indefinitely, 3) have him take sensitivity trainings. But he should still be allowed to be a footballer.

and I also find it hard to take non vegans seriously when it comes to animal rights.

this is pretty much most of the people that want Zuma fired for what he’s done.
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So where is the end point of this? If i see you eating a steak i'm allowed to come and volley your dog or what?

You're using all these moral dilemas to defend a shitty person. When you have a pet, you're supposed to care for it, not use it as a fecking torture victim for your pleasure just because your diet includes meat. Using your moral code, if you can care for your child and give him a home, you can give a home to anybody. If a homeless person knocks at your door tomorrow, will you let him stay at your house? No? Oh, then you don't really love your child because you love only your child and not all humans.

I don't care what happens to Zouma. He can sign a 50 mil. contract tomorrow for all i care. He's still a shitty person roke or rich to me. I can find him despicable without requesting anything to happen to him.

Seeing him broke doesn't give me pleasure, my involvement in this is knowing he's trash and moving along.

Drouchk · Feb 11, 2022

4x4s said: ↑

So where is the end point of this? If i see you eating a steak i'm allowed to come and volley your dog or what?

You're using all these moral dilemas to defend a shitty person. When you have a pet, you're supposed to care for it, not use it as a fecking torture victim for your pleasure just because your diet includes meat. Using your moral code, if you can care for your child and give him a home, you can give a home to anybody. If a homeless person knocks at your door tomorrow, will you let him stay at your house? No? Oh, then you don't really love your child because you love only your child and not all humans.

I don't care what happens to Zouma. He can sign a 50 mil. contract tomorrow for all i care. He's still a shitty person roke or rich to me. I can find him despicable without requesting anything to happen to him.

Seeing him broke doesn't give me pleasure, my involvement in this is knowing he's trash and moving along.
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Your analogy makes zero sense. Me not giving a home to the homeless is not at all similar to people not minding the killing of animals for their own pleasure ( you don't need meat to survive, in fact it can be bad for you in the long run) or worst hunting them themselves then demanding an outrageous level of punishment for someone for mistreating theirs;
and yes the argument that they don't seem to mind when other humans are mistreated is valid as well.

Also I'm not defending Zouma , as i said he should be punished, and i laid out how i think he should be punished, i just don't believe he should be punished to the extent that these hypocrites want him to be and their reaction to this and especially when compared to other stuff is off putting.

BTW i'm not accusing YOU personally of wanting to see him fired, i'm speaking generally, there have been petitions signed by 150k people that demand that West Ham drop him for example.

4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

Drouchk said: ↑

BTW i'm not accusing YOU personally of wanting to see him fired, i'm speaking generally, there have been petitions signed by 150k people that demand that West Ham drop him for example.
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Which is comical if you think about it.

150.000 people signed a petition about a London club, located in a city with almost 9 million people, which is in a country of almost 70 million people.

People bring up cancel culture and whatever, but really, break down the numbers of how many people this thing somehow motivated to do anything about it and the reality is nobody cares.

Football clubs are paying the price of branching so far out of their market that they have to somehow balance interests of companies with completely different goals and ideals.

Drouchk · Feb 11, 2022

4x4s said: ↑

Which is comical if you think about it.

150.000 people signed a petition about a London club, located in a city with almost 9 million people, which is in a country of almost 70 million people.

People bring up cancel culture and whatever, but really, break down the numbers of how many people this thing somehow motivated to do anything about it and the reality is nobody cares.

Football clubs are paying the price of branching so far out of their market that they have to somehow balance interests of companies with completely different goals and ideals.
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And seeing corps like Kissimmee from Florida ,of all places, that sponsor other corps such as Orlando Seaworld ( who are absolutely awful to those poor sea creatures ), pull their sponsorship from West Ham is just funny to me, too many dishonest actors involved in this thing for my liking.

4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

Drouchk said: ↑

And seeing corps like Kissimmee from Florida ,of all places, that sponsor other corps such as Orlando Seaworld ( who are absolutely awful to those poor sea creatures ), pull their sponsorship from West Ham is just funny to me, too many dishonest actors involved in this thing for my liking.
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Look at how pretty much the entire UFC is sticking with Joe Rogan and he's even commentating this weekend. Keeping your brand centered in and around your core audience has the benefit that your product can barely be manipulated from outside, but football has long lost it's core audience ages ago.

It's funny because the sport of the "common folk" is now pretty much a rich and wealthy type of interest, with subscriptions and ticket prices slowly pushing the social structures it draws talent from, out the picture.

Digital · Feb 11, 2022

Drouchk said: ↑

There is a difference between seeing what he did wrong and wanting him fired over it, for me Zuma should 1) be fined, with the money being donated to animal shelters, 2) not be allowed to own pets either for a while or indefinitely, 3) have him take sensitivity trainings. But he should still be allowed to be a footballer.
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i can't remember a single post here that said what Zouma did wasn't wrong, maybe i missed it, i've just seen comparisons to what he's done and what others have done, but of course that's whataboutism .......

4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

Digital said: ↑

i've just seen comparisons to what he's done and what others have done, but of course that's whataboutism .......
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That's exactly what whataboutism is.

You don't compare shitty person A to shitty person B to justify or somehow quantify shitty person As actions.

They're both shitty and that's pretty much the bar. To me two terrible individuals are not in a competition with each other for any kind of "well, at least not as bad as ________" kind of status.

J-Mezzy · Feb 11, 2022

I think A fair punishment would be to have Francis Ngannou kick him and hit him several times for no reason while Zouma has his hands and feet tied

4x4s · Feb 11, 2022

J-Mezzy said: ↑

I think A fair punishment would be to have Francis Ngannou kick him and hit him several times for no reason while Zouma has his hands and feet tied
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Lol