Preseason 2022 - What's next for United?

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  1. ImNumberTen

    ImNumberTen Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who ever said Kasper now has "nothing to do with selecting players"?

    Obviously none of us has the inside scoop over who has final say on player acquisition but if Losada and Rushton accepted the positions they have without solid assurances that they would have very substantial input into player acquisitions then they are stupid and deserve what they get -- and I don't think they are stupid. If Losada and Rushton are enthusiastic about Estrada that is good enough for me, until I have reason to question their judgement (and that doesn't mean missing on just one signing).

    It would be truly shocking if Kasper signed Estrada over the objections of the coach and general manager.
     
  2. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Pajoy is relevant to any DCU thread. Anyone who could be offside so many times in so many different ways is a zen master.
     
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  3. ImNumberTen

    ImNumberTen Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  4. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    The scoring drought suffered by our new signing at Toluca.
     
  5. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are correct. I was not having a laugh. I was confused. If I read that post as sarcasm it makes some sense, but it's also something that the team might have said at the time despite his age and relative deck chair level of play.
     
  6. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mostly remember people mocking him, being disappointed in him and wondering how he could be offside so consistently.
     
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  7. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know if this really closes the book on Junior Moreno coming back, but Brad Smith is wearing #5 in some of the Facebook stories that DC United have put up regarding their training in California.
     
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  8. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
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    DC United
    Until proven otherwise, both signings should be treated the same. Actually, Pajoy arrived to us with a 5 goal 2 assist season. Why should this be exciting exactly? Isn't our social media being bombarded with "thank yous" from fans happy to get rid of him? We've already got the incompetent hype machine claiming he's worth 5-7 million after release, which is absurd. I'll give him a chance, but he better ********ing work or ********.
     
  9. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Maybe Estrada doesn't work out -- the one year loan deal is smart. But -- I don't get the vitriol over the signing. The guy is Ecuador's leading goal scorer on a team just about booked for Qatar. Beerholder would give both his right and left nuts to have a forward that productive. This isn't the EPL folks, have a little perspective. Estrada and Fountas are the type of players this league in general goes after -- good players who will be above average in MLS play. Or would you rather have Danny Alsopp or Steve Guppy?
     
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  10. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    There's no vitriol, just a sense of reality. The kinds of players we sign have limited upside and little interest from other organizations globally. We have to accept that. This guy isn't a world burner, he's not an unknown talent and he's had a cold year. He has something to prove, he's not some red hot star. Frankly though, Griffin, there are many better purchases than this dude that we could have done. I'm kind of disinterested in imagining them anymore because clearly the club had their typical strategy and blinders to everything else. I think Sean Davis could have been a Julian Gressel like acquisition, very useful and consistent and helping the midfield. I think looking for players to just run and run and hope the energy, lack of injuries and commitment is there all year is probably misguided. Anyway, it doesn't matter, our franchise is kind of on autopilot so we'll just see how it goes.
     
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  11. Alejandro 10

    Alejandro 10 Member+

    Feb 15, 2001
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    DC United
    Nah, we want Gazza!
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    I hadn't thought about any of those names and Pajoy in ages!
     
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  12. MagpieFan

    MagpieFan Member+

    Apr 25, 2004
    Back in DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll go on hoping for Juan Sebastian Veron yet. If only we could entice him away from Estudiantes.
     
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  13. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm just glad we didn't waste a roster spot (and salary cap) on Tevez. Here's hoping DP #3 turns out to be be an excellent choice.
     
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  14. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many international games did Pajoy play? And Estrada?
    How about World Cup qualifier goals?
    How old were each of these guys when they were signed by DC United?

    Who is saying he's worth 5-7M?
    Whether you should be excited or not is up to you.
    Whether Estrada is successful or not is to be seen obviously.

    But treating the signings as the same seems like a poor use of logical reasoning. That doesn't mean Estrada will be great. It just means you should look at the available information rather than leaning so heavily on pessimism in assessing this move.
     
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  15. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    The available information is as unproductive a season coming into the club as possible. I don't care about international duty, and I don't care about world cup qualifying goals, because a lot of role players and lower level players are on a number of CONCACAF/CONMEBOL teams. If you look at Jamaica, or Ecuador or whatever, there are a handful of decent players who make it to good clubs, usually as backups or for their developmental systems, and then there are a bunch of OK at best players who head to lower leagues or MLS. International duty doesn't necessarily equal being good or being a prospect.
     
  16. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    If you are the leading scorer for a team about to qualify for the World Cup from CONMEBOL, you are more than a "backup" or fodder for "developmental systems". Look, I think Levien is an asshat, but in the past few weeks, the FO has brought in two forwards who could be impactful, replaced Paredes with Smith (and for all the woe is me about Paredes leaving, he scored one goal last year and sometimes had a disturbing tendency to dribble into traffic) which might actually be an improvement in production from the position. The biggest questions right now are in the middle of the park and the absolute shitshow for GK after Hamid.
     
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  17. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus if reports are to be believed they're *still* looking for that third DP.

    100% agree with you on the two biggest question marks left for the team, by the way.
     
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  18. ImNumberTen

    ImNumberTen Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From Grant Wahl:

    The Interview: Hernán Losada
    The D.C. United Coach on His Influences and Philosophy, His Team's Off-season Conditioning Program, Michael Estrada, Edison Flores, Prominent Girlfriend Evelina Cabrera (Also a Coach) and Much More

    https://grantwahl.substack.com/p/the-interview-hernan-losada

    (Note that only the beginning of the text of the interview is available here unless you are a paid subscriber but the audio of the entire thing is available on his podcast 'Fútbol with Grant Wahl' -- great podcast, btw.)
     
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  19. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    He's got 8 goals for Ecuador since 2017, 3 this year. Good for him. I think we should pay attention to new callups here for their team. The other two forwards for Ecuador are <24 years old and have a combined 7 caps. Altogether the current squad has 37 goals historically and only one current forward has goals on their record. Enner Valencia scored basically every goal for them during his tenure as forward and they are starting from scratch.

    But don't misunderstand what I mean by backup or someone placed in a developmental system. If you're a backup for Bayern or Manchester City, you're better than every player in MLS probably. Ecuador has some OK players on the squad. Angel Mena and Piero Hincapie are starters for decent clubs (Leon and Leverkusen). Then there is some dropoff, some OK prospects went to Seattle and and LA. This dude isn't yet part of the "played for good clubs," "developmental prospect for backup at a good club" or "shown effectiveness in MLS" categories. He's in the 0 goals last year category. That's all I am saying. He's firesale category. Hopefully he comes out like Kamara trying to prove himself and we get the better player than he's shown the last few years.
     
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  20. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice interview. I listened to it on Apple Podcasts. His part comes in around the 20:39 mark, if you're not inclined to listen to the whole podcast.
     
  21. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DC tied NYRB 1-1 in today's preseason friendly. Flores scored the goal.

    Starting lineup:

     
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  22. ImNumberTen

    ImNumberTen Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully Flores is finally finding his form. Two recent goals with Ecuador and now a preseason goal for United are hardly conclusive evidence of that but it's still cause for optimism.
     
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  23. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Flores plays for Peru....
     
  24. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
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  25. ImNumberTen

    ImNumberTen Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I knew that, but thanks for pointing out the error. Brain freeze.

    One goal vs. Ecuador.
    One vs Colombia.
    And the preseason goal for DCU vs NYRB.
     
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