CONCACAF WCQ Appointments [Rs]

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  1. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We would have also vetoed a 5 PM start in Kingston and playing on frozen field turf in Hamilton. In other words (as you are pointing out), home field is home field.
     
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  2. Mi3ke

    Mi3ke Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    New Mexico
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    REMOVE!

    Cheers, Mi3ke
     
  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's not forget about the king of home field advantages in Ecuador.
     
  4. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's Bolivia, isn't it?
     
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  5. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And we would have vetoed the late switch from higher, cooler Guatemala City to lowland jungle Mazatenango in July 2000.
     
  6. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s both. Quito is something like 11,300 feet above sea level, La Paz is something like 10,500.

    Edit-according to the Google, La Paz is 11,942 and Quito 9,350.

    But the point still stands-altitude is a major advantage for both nations except when they play each other.
     
  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right. So second best home field advantage.
     
  8. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    Here is the full sequence of the controversial penalty appeal in the El Salvador vs. Canada match:
    https://send.cm/d/8ZC4
     
  9. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not a penalty. Blue 21 sees Red 11 coming and leans down and into the contact while Red 11 is doing nothing but target the ball. Certainly the decision is not to award a PK is not clearly and obviously wrong.

    Question for the VAR experts. A few seconds before the challenge, Blue 21 arguably uses his arm to carelessly hit Red 3 in the face. On the assumption that Red 11 committed a foul against Blue 21 and that the hit to the face was also a foul, would the VAR have "checked completed" the incident(s) because there was a foul by the attacker in the APP before the penalty?
     
  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I *believe* the protocol would be to first review the PK, and if the PK should be awarded via OFR, then review the attacking phase of play. So I *believe* that it would go to a FK for the foul in the attacking phase of play —but only if not calling that foul was a C&O error.

    others have more expertise and may correct this
     
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  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct. Once a VAR determines that the non-awarding of a penalty is a clear error, he or she basically treats it like a goal has been scored: they check the APP to make sure everything is clean.

    So in such a case the referee goes to the monitor to first look at the PK situation. If he agrees that it should be a penalty, then he looks at the alleged foul to make that second decision. If he doesn’t agree it was a clear penalty, nothing else happens.
     
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  12. ref29

    ref29 Member

    Nov 8, 2010
    Concacaf announced Rizzoli as interim advisor, but who is currently leading the daily referee-related activities, including the appointments for the upcoming Champions League and WC Qualifiers?
     
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  13. Fanison

    Fanison Member

    May 8, 2012
    MEX - USA: Escobar (GUA)
     
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  14. ref29

    ref29 Member

    Nov 8, 2010
    USA - PAN: Barton (SLV)
     
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  15. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    As per Felipe Ramos Rizo’s (always interesting…) Twitter:

    F. Hernández for Jamaica vs. El Salvador
    F. Guerrero for Canada vs. Jamaica
    No game for César Ramos(!) according to him
     
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  16. Fanison

    Fanison Member

    May 8, 2012
    MD12
    JAM - SLV: Hernanez (MEX)
    PAN - HON: Elfath (USA)
    MEX - USA: Escobar (GUA)
    CRC - CAN: Martinez (HON)

    MD13
    CAN - JAM: Guerrero (MEX)
    SLV - CRC: Parchment (JAM)
    USA - PAN: Barton (SLV)
    HON - MEX: Villarreal (USA)

    MD14
    MEX - SLV: Nation (JAM)
    JAM - HON: Herrera (CRC)
    PAN - CAN: Marrufo (USA)
    CRC - USA: Fischer (CAN)
     
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  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fischer on a match that could eliminate or send the US to the World Cup seems like such a bad idea that it’s difficult to comprehend anyone thought it was a good idea.
     
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  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also Elfath having Panama before they face the US violates the only assigning principle that wasn’t violated all Octagonal.
     
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  20. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Add to that having Marrufo on the Panama-Canada game. I get Marrufo is one of your 2-3 most experienced referees, but having a US referee on a Panama match when both the US and Panama could very well still be in the running for qualifying spots? It defies belief. Imagine a questionable call that goes against Panama and helps the US gain automatic qualification. It will make the 2015 Gold Cup look like a minor dispute on a throw-in on the halfway line.

    Also head-scratching to see Cesar Ramos nowhere at all on these assignments unless CONCACAF has decided they are completely moving on from him.
     
  21. A66C

    A66C Member

    N/A
    United States
    Jan 3, 2022
    @MassachusettsRef @RefIADad Just out of curiosity I would like to see how you guys would have drawn up the assignments. Thanks!
     
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  22. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's almost like people predicted how hard it would be to assign the last 12 matches if it was a tight race.
     
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  23. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure. Double up Barton, Martinez, and Escobar for sure. Keep the MLS referees off of matches involving the US, Mexico, and Panama. If Costa Rica is eliminated, get your best CRC referee in less important matches.

    And I’d really like to know what discussions have taken place behind the scenes regarding Cesar Ramos. To not use a 2018 World Cup referee in this last window is really interesting.
     
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  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would have used officials from other confederations. I mean, we saw this coming when the Octagonal started.

    None of this is to say these referees can’t perform or don’t deserve assignments. But they are in incredibly difficult spots. They shouldn’t have to be.
     
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