News: 2022 Preseason Thread

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by JasonMa, Jan 8, 2022.

  1. unkiemark

    unkiemark Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Boulder
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  2. TheWarmBurger

    TheWarmBurger Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    United States
    Aug 7, 2018
    Arizona
    Hey look, two more teams signing DP forwards:



    So, by my count, this offseason the following teams have signed DP forwards / attackers:

    Orlando (they’ve signed 2!)
    Philadelphia
    Charlotte
    Dallas
    DC United
    Fire (while Przbylko was a PHI DP, he is under a new non DP contract)
    Toronto (and are rumored to also have Giovinco in training camp right now)

    Teams with DP forwards / attackers carrying over from last season not listed above:
    Seattle
    Portland
    LAFC
    Atlanta
    SKC
    RSL
    New England
    Columbus
    Vancouver
    LA Gals
    Miami
    Austin
    FC Cincy
    NYRB



    Me, to the Rapids:

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  3. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    Precisely.

    In past years, when the RFO failed to sign quality strikers (of DP caliber), we could still kinda skate and grind through the season with alternate forward arrangements because many/most other teams also didn't have across-the-board DP-caliber strikers. In the past, the big striker/attacker pursuits were more limited to the big market teams. But now... (unless Padraig pulls a rabbit out of his hat, and SOON!)... the Rapids will be in the extreme minority of teams that lack this key/elite player(s).

    In other words, once again, the Rapids will soon be left behind trying to play a 1998 Nintendo game when the rest of the league is playing 2022 Xbox. As much as we all like to pride ourselves on the clever RFO moneyball that got the Rapids to 1st in the West this year (a big feat for sure!), living in MLS2.0 when most other teams are living in MLS4.0 is certainly not sustainable. Equally important, let's not forget that the Rapids "successful" moneyball teams in 2020 and 2021 stunk it up in their respective first playoff matches. One of the key reasons? No goals because they couldn't finish in the box... which gets back to the glaring need for a legit striker. So the 2021 moneyball finish was cool, I get it. But it's far from what is needed to legitimately compete.

    But hey, I hear Jack McBean might be coming out of his early retirement and the RFO is lickin' its chops! Bet we can get THAT quality on the cheap! ;)

    [Hey Padraig, all of the above frustration and cynicism can be wiped away instantaneously if Rapids fans are treated to big surprise signing or two. But until then, we won't hold our breath.]
     
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  4. TheWarmBurger

    TheWarmBurger Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    United States
    Aug 7, 2018
    Arizona
    Yeah I’m with you big time here.

    What we’ve built and accomplished over the last 3 years since *shudders* ….Hudson…. is nothing short of impressive.

    And I truly believe it’s sustainable. We will be a playoff contender this year. And next. And the year after that. I have no doubt.

    What I doubt? Our teams ability to stay at the top of the Western standings - and our teams ability to move beyond the first game of the playoffs.

    Right now, we’re a good team. And you know what? We’re on the cusp of being great. But you’re not gonna be great when your team’s leading scorers the last two years are a winger (Barrios - 2021) and then a winger and a midfielder (Bassett/Lewis - 2020).

    Since 2010, the Rapids have had a double digit goal scorer in 3(!) seasons. 3 times in 11 seasons, and only once in the last 7.

    Kei Kamara / Rubio in 2019
    Deshorn Brown in 2014
    Deshorn Brown in 2013

    And you know what? It doesn’t even have to be a BIG MONEY DP. Imagine we sign Kamara at 31/32 years old and put him with the midfielders and wingers we have…dude would have a field day! He put up 14 goals for us in 2019 and was 35 years young!

    Just give us somebody please RFO. We need striker talent. Rubio just isn’t a natural striker. He plays best when there’s another forward out there it’s him, heck, his best year came when we also Kamara.

    Just give us someone fresh up top, please RFO?
     
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  5. Hunt998

    Hunt998 Member

    Feb 17, 2012
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I think the skepticism I'm reading is warranted. Rapids moneyball is really just finding young, generally American, players that are finding playing time hard to come by due to international signings or competition from other academy products. That works in positions of abundance, and CB and midfield seem to be areas of abundance, but proven goal scorers don't become surplus to need all that often (barring contract or locker room issues.) Signing a #9 that can come in and bang in goals is going to be a new trick for the Rapids and, given spending constraints and all the issues we've noted ad nauseum in this forum, I'm not all that optimistic that a signing that is going to appease this crowd (including me) is on the way.
     
  6. TheWarmBurger

    TheWarmBurger Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    United States
    Aug 7, 2018
    Arizona
    Hey look Arsenal just dropped $7mil on Turner.


    Big money for a goalkeeper - who may just end up being their backup. Maybe Uncle Stan is open to spendi…..

    Oh wait. That’s his cash cow in England. Right. I forgot. We’re not that high on the list just yet. …

    I stand by original meme from earlier.

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  7. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    Question: With the transfer window in most global football markets closing on Jan. 31, is it safe to say that if legit rumors or formal announcements don't arise in the next 3 days, the Rapids will be more S.O.L. on bringing in a quality DP-quality striker for about the 8th consecutive window? Or are there ways to navigate around the 1/31 deadline?

    As with every window, the RFO silence is killing me and I'm about to throw in the towel on my hopes. Regardless of what Padraig said about pursuing multiple strikers a week or two ago, this is playing out exactly how it has played out in past windows. It's the KSE-RFO way. They start with a list of targets (and the fanbase blindly gets its hopes up). Then they float low offers to the bigger names/quality (only to be rejected over time). Then they are left with the crumbs that they sign at the 11th hour and try to spin it into a great signing. Is this our fate YET AGAIN?
     
  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. We go over this every offseason. The window only matters for the league a player is going to. The window for the league the player is leaving is meaningless. In fact, all the transfers you've heard about across the rest of the league haven't actually happened, because MLS's window hasn't even opened yet. They're all pre-deals that will become official once the window opens sometime next month.

    Now there is an argument to be made that teams are going to be less likely to sell a player if their window is closed, because they can't bring in a replacement, but the reality is that for the type of player the Rapids are looking for that shouldn't matter. We are unlikely to be bidding enough for a big team to lose a big piece, and a big name from a small team is likely not what we should be looking for. The Rapids are likely looking for a player who's surplus to requirements for a team and/or out of favor, which means a team would be likely to sell without needing a replacement.
     
  9. Maarten van 242

    Jan 20, 2012
    Club:
    Lille OSC
    #109 Maarten van 242, Jan 28, 2022
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2022
    Thanks! That helps!

    [Update: Let's hope that the formal Mezquida announcement this morning is just the first in another flurry of contract/signing announcements (a la their announcement roll-out day last week).]
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  11. TheWarmBurger

    TheWarmBurger Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    United States
    Aug 7, 2018
    Arizona
    Lucas Esteves (who had to have private training sessions with Palmeiras reps in addition to the Rapids to make sure he’s in tip top shape while on loan) has now tweeted out more pictures from training camp than the Rapids :whistling::whistling:



    *translation from google:
    “Focus, strength, and faith is the motto of the winners”


    I think Esteves is gonna have a breakout year this year and turn a lot of heads around the league.
     
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  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  13. unkiemark

    unkiemark Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Boulder
    His loan ends in June, correct? I assume that the Rapids have a prearranged agreement to buy him. It would be tough to lose him in the middle of the season.

    I concur that he could be difference maker this season. He looks like he can play left back and wing back.
     
  14. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe when they announced the loan it included an option to buy
     
  15. TheWarmBurger

    TheWarmBurger Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    United States
    Aug 7, 2018
    Arizona
    Yes, it’s a club option to buy.

    https://www.coloradorapids.com/news/rapids-sign-brazilian-defender-lucas-estevesfrom-palmeiras

    Don’t know how expensive, but I imagine he’s worth every penny they already negotiated.
     
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  18. unkiemark

    unkiemark Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Boulder
    I didn't get to watch this afternoon. Any one want to give their take?

    Here's one from Joseph Samelson -
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  19. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    just about to post this. I didn’t watch the match just read the recaps. Not good if true. Not good at all. I wonder if there’s video evidence. Russell has no reason to fib so I’m just curious to know what exactly happened.
     
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  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be clear, if true this is unacceptable. I'll need to see/hear exactly what happened before I decide if this is "terminate the loan and send him home" unacceptable or just "heavy fine/suspension" unacceptable, but either way I don't think we should expect Esteves in the lineup for a while (again, if true).

    Which means the Acosta trade hurts a little more, given that he was the most likely player to fill that hole.
     
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  21. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  22. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently here’s the incident in question…. I can’t really see anything so who knows:

     
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  23. TheWarmBurger

    TheWarmBurger Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    United States
    Aug 7, 2018
    Arizona
    Yeah I couldn’t see much there either. It’s clear he’s clipped by Khiry. It’s not clear he ever spat on anyone. I can’t imagine that Khiry - who’s had a history of hotheadedry himself would let that slide, nor ANY other player on the field. No one saw anything that warranted any reaction whatsoever - except Russell.

    Russell wears his emotions on his sleeve - and from what I’ve read about the game (unable to watch thanks to geo locking) him and Esteves had been having a fairly physical go all game up until that point.

    Esteves also wears his emotions on his sleeve.

    I think this is a case where a hothead is pissed at another hothead - sees him do something and interprets it as something else - and reacts to it.

    Now obviously, if Esteves spat at or on anyone - that’s it. He’s done. Don’t want to see him in a Rapids jersey again. But I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe based on the video (there’s what, 10 seconds in between when the camera crew cuts to replays and the Russell screaming and hollering?), and also given every single other persons reaction on the pitch.

    So, only Russell saw something and all 20 other players on the pitch, the ref crew, and both benches missed something as serious as spitting at/on another player? I gotta believe that someone was watching Esteves who was clearly trying to show injury immediately after the collision with Khiry. It’s just all so over the top to me and that no one said or did anything other than Russell who wasn’t even directly involved in the situation.


    I’ll reserve full judgement until an official investigation is finished - and I’ll gladly eat crow if they find Esteves guilty - but I just don’t see how to fit it all in during that brief brief interchange when the cameras weren’t on them.
     
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  24. TheWarmBurger

    TheWarmBurger Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    United States
    Aug 7, 2018
    Arizona
    To continue - the only thing I can think of that makes it all make sense is the following.

    Khiry clips Esteves during the free kick.

    Esteves is bleeding and not happy about it.

    After the kick goes out of play and the players start resetting their formations Khiry starts heading back to his normal spot - and Esteves makes sure to talk to him on the way back.

    Esteves says something to the effect of “Hey man, you clipped me good, what then !%## - I’m !##_%^# bleeding here” and then spits down on the ground to show that Khiry drew blood.

    Khiry’s shrugs it off and says “sorry dude” and keeps moving on to get back to position before the goalkick.

    Russell - already annoyed from Esteves’s aggressive defending - sees from a distance the Esteves spit.

    Russell throws a fit to the ref and now throws Esteves under the bus during the post game presser.

    Now we’re here.


    That’s the only logical turn of events I can come up with given both the Rapids official statement - and the reactions (or lack thereof) from literally every other grown human being out there on the field tonight.

    Again, I’ll eat crow if wrong - but this feels like a mountain being made out of a molehill.
     
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  25. unkiemark

    unkiemark Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Boulder

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