Racism - Always and Forever

Evidence that some frogs are green is not evidence that all frogs are green.

The issue here is not Bill Buckley. The issue is Joe Schmedlap who opposes mask mandates and increased federal spending but believes that black lives indeed do matter and shows up to demonstrate same.

And then there's his son Marty, who listens to Jay-Z exclusively, and is finishing his doctorate in CRT-- but doesn't find black women attractive at all, which is obviously a holdover from some racist elements in his training somewhere...

These people are part of the solution even as they continue to support aspects of the problem, even are victim to some...

 

OK, OK - it's a synonym for America First which is a Klan term.

Speaking of which, 74 million America Firsters voted for the Queens Qlansman. They knew full well what he is and just don't care about POC enough to give up the dream of the 1950s. Most revel in his hate.

 

You've got the makings of a Broadway comedy lightly based on conservatism.
"Republicans In Springtime", starring Archie Bunker, Ralph from Wait 'Til Your Father Gets Home and the mumbling toon from King Of The Hill. The guys who learn their lesson on The Waltons and shake hands amicably as the credits roll. They're not bad people, you know, just a generation or so from getting it right. Their blueberry pies taste just like the ones I'm accustom... stop.

Conservatism is like dousing cats with gasoline, setting fire to them and letting them run. Go write a funny-ass script about that.

Joe and Marty Schmedlap don't exist in anything remotely close to the numbers you (or I) wish they did. Neither do potential Amy Coopers or Dylann Roofs or Travis McMichaels or Derek Chauvins. The latter group is larger than your pipe dream wants it to be.

I have as much respect for your posts as I do of just about anyone I've read here, but on this one you need to step back and let the burning cat tell you wtf time it is.

 

Maybe so. However, that sort of person is rare, if nonexistent. If they’re opposing mask mandates and expanded federal spending, chances are they’re screaming about CRT being awful.

There’s a long history of conservatism being aligned with racism. it’s rather telling that the strongest support for conservatism has usually been the anti-black racists. Only thing is the intellectuals always hid it in terms like states rights (See Reagan and the Neshoba County Fair or his thoughts on Roots). It’s also rather telling that once Civil Rights came into play, there was pushback from the American right.

Of course, now that the intellectuals (ie Never Trumpers) have been pushed out, conservatism has lost that veneer to give cover. It’s been the quiet part out loud for a while.

 

I've never seen this level of willful blindness from two reasonably decent posters in my entire Internet history. This discussion ought not even be happening. No one should care what I call conservatives. It's indicative of how much the Trump presidency shifted the Overton Window.

 

They burn cats!

 

I think in US politics conservative has come to mean conservative Republicans, whereas elsewhere it simply means right of center.

 

Said this a while back.
Squeeze a conservative long enough,and the racism shoots out like toothpaste from a tube.
Everyone gets their narratives examined on here,and the meltdowns when independent centrists get exposed are epic,but rarer these days.

 

Which parts?

 

To paraphrase a classic Onion article, they should be asking themselves, "why do all these awful people keep getting involved?" Maybe ask themselves why their idealized view of conservatism was never popular to begin with.

I mean, there were subtle hints of it. See that woman yelling at McCain about Obama, Steve King for instance. They claimed they're the party of family values but my God there's so many GOP types who were cheating on their wives and happened to be into dudes it's not even funny.

Of course, what doesn't help is the big money folk like the Kochs, DeVos family, Mercers, funding those more extreme causes. But they also rightly assume that it's easier to use racism for the masses than libertarian economic policy, which isn't exactly popular.

 

When we are speaking of conservative=racism we are speaking of this in American English. It is not necessarily a part of English language use worldwide.

 

There's a difference between the Burkean/anglo-saxon vision on conservatims and the rest of the world.

 

This man is truly someone without a moral compass or dignity:

Fifa president Gianni Infantino has said his plans for a World Cup every two years could stop African migrants from finding 'death in the sea', in an extraordinary address to European politicians.

Story: @PaulMac https://t.co/0v02s8VeOx

— Guardian sport (@guardian_sport) January 26, 2022

 

This is definitely true.

 

Duh! That's the whole point to Marty.

He's not a conservative, but he's got this honkin' great personality trait that a purist, at least, would say makes him a racist.

A conservative is not ipso facto a racist. A crusader against racism is not ipso facto devoid of racism.

It doesn't matter how many or few the examples and counterexamples, it is about the attributes historically assigned to the word. To make "conservative" a synonym for "racist" is about like saying "There are so few family farms left that it is pointless to worry about it; from now on a "farmer" is a "corporate officer" even if they own their own operation; and will be counted as "pro-big business."

Or "Only a few dozen people still keep oxen as draft animals any more, so to simplify things we won't count them as assets any more, we'll just classify them as pets..."

 

I am genuinely interested in your opinion on the topic.

Which conservatives currently in the national eye are NOT racist?

I guess that is a two-part question:

Who do you see as actual conservatives in the national eye?
Which are those not racist?

As I stated when this conversation started, I did not think that all conservatives were racists (and I certainly do not believe that all liberals are NOT racist).

However, it seems to be harder and harder to differentiate between conservatives and racists.

 

Rule of all laws no matter what or whom they benefit?

Also,I thought we all agreed a long time ago that free markets depend on equally informed rational actors and late stage capitalism games the system to a point where equality of access to markets is impossible.

 

This part always makes me chuckle. I had a work colleague who was around during the Reagan era in DC (has since retired). She noted that things were ok until Reagan arrived with the promise to reduce the size/role of government. Essentially what happened was there was a massive shift from Feds to contractors. This made the government smaller on paper but the contractor community exploded and the number of people increased substantially.

The end result was that it was more expensive for the US government in the long run. You had the same scientists who were former Feds, now as contractors sitting in their same cubicle, doing the same work, just now for a contracting company, for more $$ and less job stability.