English players Dual Nationality thread #2

Discussion in 'England' started by roverman, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not noteworthy at all for England's senior pool but Associated Press says Spurs academy product Samuel Shashoua has filed a FIFA switch to the US. Born and raised in England to an American father of Venezuelan descent. Switch had to be filed because of provisional cap-tie to England at the U17 Euros in 2016. Average production in Spain's second tier but the US doesn't have many wingers obviously better than him beyond the top handful (Reyna, Pulisic, Aaronson, Weah).

    https://www.thestar.com/sports/socc...uel-shashoua-switches-to-us-from-england.html

    The US national team pool of players raised in large part in England now includes:
    Musah
    Antonee Robinson
    Carter-Vickers
    Otasowie
    Chituru Odunze
    Shashoua

    Not Balogun or Mighten. The latter was rumored but has not happened so Mighten should still be considered an England player.
     
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  2. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Anthony elanga eligible for England. Wonder if someone from the FA are talking to him?
     
  3. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Blimey, he’s 22 now! Time flies by as don’t think we have talked about him much since he was playing for our U18’s. He was a talent when younger but can’t say I’ve seen him play for a long time but I’m going out on a whim to presume he’s not really kicked on? Would be miles away from a England call up but I’m surprised that the US would consider him an option but if you’re short in that area then good luck to him.
     
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  4. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Seems unlikely doesn't it? He's Swedish born and well integrated into their system. He'll probably get a senior call up before long.
     
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  5. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019

    Already featured at an U15 camp several years ago but he seems to be committed to Sweden now.
     
  6. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Was a decent prospect in Spurs Youth team was Sam, glad to seem him doing well in the Spanish 2nd division. You'd think he'd have more of a chance of playing with Venezuela, but he's probably weighed it up and wants a chance of playing at a World Cup.
     
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  7. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nowhere near England senior quality but his side does have a decent chance to be promoted to La Liga. If that happens and he continues to start in that league (even with average production) then he has a very good chance for the US squad.
     
  8. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Very unlikely. Our FA are really inept when tracking Dual players that aren't quite ready for a senior call up.
     
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  9. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    To be honest he's not a player that I think we should be pursuing. He's Swedish born and embedded into their setup. I see him as a Swedish player. We have so many talented players in his position that I'd perceive it as underhand if we tried to nab him.
     
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  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Zidane Iqbal has just made his senior Iraq debut. Does that prevent him making a one time switch later on or not?
     
  11. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    No, he's U21 so he could still play twice more and still switch.
     
  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I imagine he will play later this week as well.
     
  13. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    He's gone and will probably never be good enough for England anyway.
     
  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    However if does end up becoming good enough that he could have played for the senior England squad the FA will be kicking themselves.

    As will his accountant.
     
  15. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    I've said it before, but there is really no point fretting or being disappointed whether we missed out on player X or Y, as no matter what the FA do this is going to happen! Look at Mahrez for France for example, he was never in contention for France at any stage (playing in Ligue 2 and the Championship) and then exploded on the scene out of nowhere.

    There are probably 50 or more English eligible players representing other national teams, all for various reasons, and there are even more who could potentially move.

    Some never good enough to play for England (Osman Kakay - Sierra Leone). Some who its to early to say whether they will ever be at the required level (Yunus Musah - USA). Some who would of been in and around squads (Michail Antonio - Jamaica). Some who have represented England and then switched to another nation (Wilf Zaha - Ivory Coast). Some who it probably was never a serious option (Erling Haaland - Norway).

    And to be honest I think the FA and England should be proud of the players its producing. As even though they are representing another national team, I'm sure most see themselves as English as well. You pick the best players for each age group, and then pick the senior team on form, merit and experience.
     
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  16. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    It's a sign English youth development is doing something right as Regis said France have had multiple players have good international careers with other countries. Aubameyang mahrez koulibaly. We are producing enough good players
     
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  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I think a lot of fans would see it same. But as he could still switch Southgate could be asked about it at the next press conference.

    While eligible under the education rule does he even have British citizenship yet?
     
  18. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I know people have asked about Olise so thought I’d add this thread I found. I’m not entirely sure how accurate it is but might explain why he hasn’t been called up or selected by France for a long time:

     
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  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Whose Laca?

    Might thar also be why the FA are hesitant to call him up - if he has a reputation for disruption.
     
  20. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Lacazette
     
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  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I don’t think he has been called up by France since 2018. Olise last involvement was 2019. So I am not sure it’s all true.
     
  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    There is surely going to be a lot of questions in the press about Fabio Carvalho International future if does not get called up for either country in March.
     
  23. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Well he don't play for Chelsea or Manchester City so no chance Southgate will pick him.
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I’m not sure Southgate picks on big clubs but more on being tried and tested. In fact it’s only Mount he seems to really favour from Chelsea - he is usually accused of under using Chilwell and James and anyone else linked to Chelsea.
     
  25. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Good point. What I meant to say was Southgate won't pick him because he's playing in the championship at the moment.
    There's a bit of snobbery within the England setup where we only seem to pick prem players.
    Other countries like Portugal would be willing to give Carvalho a game even though he plays in the championship.
     
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