Bundesliga 2021/22- 22 women chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end a German team wins

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by Lohmann, Jul 1, 2021.

  1. hotjam2

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    #1251 hotjam2, Jan 12, 2022
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    the selection usually comes after the Bundi season, so expect late May/early June.

    you got an point to an degree that a team needs to gel now, but in the often unpredictable world of woso, it doesn’t prove an necessity; going back to the last Euros; France looked on top of the world in early 2017(they just swamped Jill Ellis & won the SBC), but then would miserably flopped later at that year along with pre tourney faves like Germany & England. And then looked who did great; Austria & Denmark, who one year later fail to qualify for the WC. And then the Dutch winning the Euros, even though they got destroyed by Germany in an friendly late 2016 as well as they lost their last two friendlies right prior to the start of the 2017 Euros.

    Looking forward to this upcoming Arnold Cup(featuring Germany England Spain & ?). But it almost feels like if we want to see GE win the Euros, it be probably be better to look poor at this particular tourney(as to learn it’s lessons & come back with a much improved squad/tactics for the Euros in July
    this is actually good for Doorsoun instead of staying on an 20+ international squad Wolfsburg where it’s obvious that Wedemeyer got the starting CB nod over her. Germany goes deep, I’m thinking it’s either her or Feldcamp for last choice for CB(unless MVT wises up & picks Wedemeyer instead!)
     
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  2. Klingo3034

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    So the Arnold Cup would just be testing new and old players? And the selection would just be only a month prior to the Euros? Not enough time honestly.
     
  3. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    ...:ROFLMAO: Please go to the 3.55 mark of this match... you might see something "significant" lol.
    .

    Oh... and this footage came after a younger/healthy Wieder had left Bayern Munich's 2016/17 first team squad, having featured in 8 league matches, one DFB cup match, with 2 appearances in the old format WUCL..:whistling:

    But what do I know... maybe it's like asking, do trees make a sound if nobody is there to see them fall, none of this is evidence qualifies as significant, if nobody believes it ever happened, right...;)
     
  4. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    ...:unsure: That's literally the opposite of what's happened though; with MVT's goofy CB choices only very recently starting to execute accurate long passes to help start attacks.

    I'd agree MVT continues to show absolutely no respect for the genuine importance of having a good team using positional specialists, aka real defenders. But the idea she's using CM's over credible CB options, so they can to be part of the attack, honestly doesn't match the evidence of how this teams been functioning.

    I mean... just look at MVT's selections versus Serbia, Turkey, and Portugal lol. There's nothing but complete ambiguity when it comes the way this coach intends her teams to play from the back.
     
  5. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Raw talent... and a bloated squad lol... Hoffenheim's squad depth is paper thin, and there's absolutely ZERO evidence they're going to get the financial backing to recruit the necessary upgrades to make themselves relevant for another UCL run; should they actually qualify for another group stage.

    So while a young talented Frankfurt have already made it open to everyone that they fully intend to continue strengthening their squad, and Potsdam have a group of players who've already showcased themselves equals in talent to both Hoffenheim and Frankfurt teams, I still don't see what Hoffenheim's best player hopes to achieve remaining with the club for another season...:cautious:
     
  6. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    @hotjam2 Cerci could stay with her burgeoning Potsdam side for another season... but honestly, after what she's already showcased last season, it's far too obvious she's now become one of the leagues best players, and should honestly be on the radar of the nations top 2 clubs.

    And the same goes for Brand too, who's insane progress has seen her develop into one of Europe's most obvious elite young players; just like an Oberdorf, or Buhl before her, she'll have to move up a level before we see the full potential of her attacking skill set.

    Hoffenheim manage to take 3rd place, they'll likely still remain a weak squad. Potsdam get 3rd place, they'll likely be even weaker than Hoffenheim's squad. Leaving us with Frankfurt having the best potential to take 3rd and continue evolving into a genuine title challenger/eventual UCL contender.
     
  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    If she wants to increase her chances of playing at the Euro's, she should have actually tried to improve her game at some point while she still at Wolfsburg...:rolleyes:

    See... if MVT making professional decisions for her teams success, Doorsoun wouldn't be anywhere near her Euro's squad while Hendrich, Wedemeyer, Hegering, Kleinherne, all healthy.
     
  8. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Popp has never played in a senior Euro's lol... so it would be crazy if she's unable to get healthy in enough time to impress MVT, and finally gain a squad role for what would be her first Euro's at age 30..o_O

    I wouldn't be shocked if this a direct result of Frankfurt not having any interest in releasing Küver next season..:cautious:

    Bayern's main CB's all being 30+ now, it would make sense for them to actively start recruiting young potentials they can mould over time. But if anybody paying attention this season, I feel like players already in the league like Freiburg's 23yo CB Steuerwald a potentially really smart acquisition for one of the top 5.

    I think you mean Vanessa Diehm...:unsure: She's a U-19 international, who plays in a CM/DM role; it should also be stated that she's not remotely like Dongus physically, making that image a pretty deceptive one lol.

    So even if I still believe Gräwe the best young CM in Germany's U-19/20 player pool, knowing Hoffenheim's recent history for developing young international talent, your probably correct in highlighting her promotion to the 1st team.
     
  9. hotjam2

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    #1259 hotjam2, Jan 13, 2022
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    based on previous playing time/call ups. The final 20 out of 23 should be easy to predict anyways. The last three wouldn’t be that important; who’s going to be the 3rd goal keeper?(even though they’ll probably wouldn’t see any playing time, lol) or will the indefinite injured big names Popp & Lohmann make those miraculous recoveries(ala USWNT players often do) for final camp.

    to be sure, most NT coaches would have an idea who their regular starters would be, but that hasn’t been MVT, who kept experimenting with lineup &.tactics changes right into the WC playoff matches.

    the first match of the Arnold Cup is going to be interesting because Spain consistently start the midfield trio of Puetellas, Bonmati & Patri, plus the same CB duo of Leon & Parades, as well as Hemoso as line striker/all them are regular starters at Barca as well. So they might if played together as much as 50 games an year. Compare that to MVT’s ‘life is an box of chocolates, you never know your going to get’ version, so we’ll see what happens, even though I feel Germany should be the more talented team
     
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  10. hotjam2

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    The HOF coach style/tactics can be frustrating to watch, but regarding Brand, seems to take her development genuine to heart. We’ve seen her role become more & more important as she progresses through her still teenage years. We’ve often seen her switch from winger to CAM to striker within an game. Her coach called her style “school yard soccer” doesn’t sound like much of an compliment, but I think it’s meant to say that’s she’s got street smarts wise beyond her years to go along with one of the quickest first steps currently anywhere in the game.

    I feel move right now to Wolfsburg, she’s just to be the left side winger on an club more meant to win trophies, and seemingly disregards anybody that don’t fit into their program.

    Bayern might even worse since they’ve started their foreign players over domestic in their Champions League games(thus Rall barely gets minutes in the CL, whereas she the Bundi’s 2nd leading scorer.

    HOF is currently in 2nd place in the league & that’s with Hartig & Krumbiegel injured all season long and still got to unlock Hagel, Corley, Linder, Leimonstoll into potential elite players. It’s just the back line is pretty suspect defense(bummer that the coach doesn’t try new players back there)

    Despite the seemingly strong lineup, Frankfurt just needs to prove themselves that they want to be in Champions League(their currently only in 5th place)
     
  11. desinho

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  12. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Hmmm... almost like he doesn't have access to a deep enough squad, providing him adequate replacements for players he lost last season, or injured starters he hoped healthy for this season...:whistling:

    Honestly... even if they've shown improved maturity this season, to suggest they've replaced Waßmuth, Lattwein, Rall, with the same calibre of talent, would be a suspect statement in my opinion; as Feldkamp continues to underwhelm, while De Caigny, Leimenstoll, Kocsan, remain fringe influences at best in their teams attack.

    It's seen both Hagel, and Corely, have to accept huge responsibility thrust on to them in ways they initially struggled with early in the season. But it's been part if Hoffenheim's most impressive factor I've noticed this season, which is their ability to continuously find various ways to play ugly (or worse than last season) and still obtain positive results.
     
  13. Batfink

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    lol... what. She only came into their first team last season as a 18yo, and she's just turned 19 this season. Meaning without seeing her development within junior wnt's, or part of Hoffenheim's second team, you have absolutely zero understanding how great/little her growth has truly been.

    I mean she's still not even completed a full season for her club, but already looking like a genuine world class senior international. Brand's ridiculous ascent suggests her progress would have been exactly the same regardless of it being part of Hoffenheim's current team.

    lol.. Poor choice to highlight Rall, when Rall's average playing time for Bayern ridiculously low compared to her impressively high rate of assists and goals.

    Bayern's coach simply doesn't use Rall. And it's not dependant on WUCL, or domestic scenarios, where he's randomly favouring foreign talents.
     
  14. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Hartig is the ONLY major injury loss for them this season, with Krumbiegel still a huge unknown factor when you acknowledge she couldn't even start for them last season, but was supposedly expected to replace the effectiveness of Waßmuth within a right forwards role...o_O

    I do see Linder a potential senior international... but as a FB/CB, while Hagel, and Corley, have finally found their roles within the team, and started to produce more impressive performances too. But the idea Leimenstoll a potential elite player...:unsure:

    If I was going to do a report card on Hoffenheim, it would highlight Dongus leadership credentials. Naschenweng as the player with serious potential to become an elite player. Hagel as the new emergence. With Brand the obvious next Hoffenheim star to eventually leave them and excel even more for a new club.
     
  15. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    It's called maturity... for the first time Frankfurt have a team with a closer average age to the leagues top teams, and your gradually starting to see how this it's positively effecting their ability to gain results.

    I mean... you look at their potential best 14 players, and it already posses the signs of a team with the ingredients to become part of the elite. Prašnikar, Anyomi, Freigang, Martinez, Reuteler are young, talented, and will only continue to develop further. And the same goes for Dunst, Nüsken, Pawollek in their mid-field, plus Kleinherne, Küver, Hechler, Frohms, as the future core of their defence.

    They add 2 more pieces of established (foreign/domestic) quality to that, and your looking at a very strong team one day soon.
     
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  16. hotjam2

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    Must say while i didn’t care for him at first, Stroot’s has grown on me/or at least excellent coaching vs Emma Hayes who Euro elites keep in handing all kinds of accolades/awards too. Did appreciate his nod to the Canadian Olympic Gold medalists with Oberdorf’s ‘blind’ over head passes that Wassmuth was able to track down for some of her goals. Allowing Huth to freelance while decoying at CAM which would be taken up by Lattwein moving up from the back. Since I do like Hendrich a lot, did like that she got switched to CB & marking Sam Kerr out of the game(as I didn’t think that previously Wedemeyer could handle defending her).
    We’ll see how he handles Arsenal which got a lot of talent but a ton of injuries. But I did read that their close to signing Blackstenius though not sure if she’s allowed to play again this season in the CL

    interesting the blonde amazon CB, Van Es, wants to play in Bundesliga. This is so much better than handling the Dutch woso future into the incapable hands of those English louts! I mean due to the ridiculous over burdened schedule the WSL insists on, we’ve seen heavy dose of injuries, not to mention a loss of confidence from players like Miedema
     
  17. hotjam2

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    their only 2 points behind HOF so they just need to step up as they have a way more heralded squad. I just feel that Freigang should of stayed at striker than pulled back to CAM, it’s effected her goal scoring, plus playing time loss on the NT
     
  18. Klingo3034

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    Sofia Jakobson has terminated her contact with Bayern which is shocking!!! Where she heading now? Any idea why she left?
     
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  19. Lohmann

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    Feb 24, 2020
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    She was unhappy that she didn`t get enough playing time. She will tell us in the next days what her new club will be but it will not be a Swedish club.

    Svava to Real Madrid


    Kristin Demann on loan to Köln
     
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  20. Klingo3034

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    Pretty surprise she’s not getting enough playing time.
     
  21. hotjam2

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    I pretty much predicted Sofia wasn’t going to fit into Bayern’s tight passing & spacing tactics when it was first announced she was joining that club. Here she had to compete for playing time against top, experienced internationals in the winger position like Beerensteyn, Asseyi, Buhl, Rall.

    Sofia’s style was more open road ahead typified by Sweden’s tactics to lay back & wait till their opponents commit their defenders to move up till the back door is open & then swiftly counter once they get hold of the ball. In this way, Sofia’s long fast legs has had devastating results against both the German & US NT’s. But Sofia’s problem is she can’t adapt to an different style, so she’s been pretty much an journeyman in her pro career, never making much of an impression any of the dozen pro clubs she’s been with(she’s got to be over 30 years old by now). So one of those who’s accolades at the NT level far exceeds anything she’s done at pro clubs. Kinda reminds me in similar vein; van de Sanden, who’s barely gotten okaying time at Wolfsburg or previous Lyon, yet is usually an starter for the powerful Dutch NT.

    I also felt pre season, that both BM & WOB were over stacked with too many semi big names, and now as an result of that quite a few are leaving(Demann, Sofia, Svava, Doursoon).
     
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  22. hotjam2

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    So the Austrian right FB for HOF named Wienroither just signed with Arsenal. Didn’t she score an own goal for them?(I smell something fishy going on, lol)

    But these last few days seem like an invasion or robbery of Bundi players, who’s next?
     
  23. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    LOL... I feel Bayern wanted her as a really good squad player, but I think she came expecting to start, while never really considering the reality of Asseyi, Rall, Bühl, Beerensteyn, all being really tough competition for her to try and overcome for match time.
    Svava leaves a Wolfsburg side that was missing it's 1st choice LB through injury a lot, providing her plenty of opportunities to force her self into a starting role.

    But failing to show anything that could of seen her genuinely challenge Rauch, she's now leaving for Real Madrid instead lol; this a Real Madrid side featuring Olga Carmona at left back, as one of their key/best players...:confused: Svava still isn't going to play lol.

    This should have been a permanent move for Demann, as it should be obvious she's no longer part of Bayern's plans moving forward into next season.

    Plus Koln add another experienced/mature player to their squad, to solidify their squads average age one of the highest in the league...o_O
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Yeah.. Arsenal clearly missed how it's Naschenweng as the Austrian FB at Hoffenheim with the highest potential lol; and knowing Linder's quality alongside options in Hoffenheim's 2nd team, I don't think their coach will be worried about any of this either.

    Wienroither made some major contributions to Hoffenheim's season, but with only the league to play for now, her absence won't be as harmful as it could have been should this have seen a Brand, Billa, Dongus, Naschenweng, leaving.

    LOL... 2 bench players, and a young prospect, hardly create the doom and gloom scenario your projecting.

    I mean... honesty... I've always said Wolfsburg need to release players, to make room for better recruitment options. While I can't argue with a 30 yo Jakobsson feeling demoralized not being able to start for her club at this prime stage of her of career.
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Freigang is still a Striker/AM; it's just that within Frankfurt's system, it's with her used as a false #9. This a role she's 100% comfortable playing, having spent a lot of time as a FW/AM/CM for various junior teams.

    It should also be said, Freigang playing as a #9 is still a newer tool within her overall skill set too. This season seeing her take on even more responsibility in the way the team play, and currently only 3 goals away from the leagues top scorer.

    While it would be a huge negative for Schuller not to break the 20+ barrier playing for a Bayern side full of goals... I don't think we see the same factors surrounding Freigang, to judge her purely on individual goal returns.

    Not when she's playing for a side 14 goals from first place Bayern, but only 3 goals away from 3rd place Wolfsburg. If a young Martinez has done really well so far... I'd wait for the 2nd half of the season with Anyomi - Freigang - Prasnikar playing together, before we decide who's being negatively effected here..;)
     

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