PBP: FC Barcelona vs Real Madrid CF | Supercopa de España 21/22 - SF | 12 Jan 2022 [R]

Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by celito, Jan 11, 2022.

  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Which means we will probably give him 50mn /year. It's just how we conduct business ...
     
  2. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Looking at their 2nd goal, Dembele had plenty of time to come back and help track Carvajal. He literally froze.
     
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  3. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    If we had that money we'd probably give it to him.
     
  4. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    I think Dembele has a really good game, even though his finishing is shit.

    5 straight losses since Valverde lefto_O
     
  5. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    They just walk into our penalty area without any problem. 5 or 6 passes then they are there.
     
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    That's who he is though. Looks dangerous, but ultimately tits on a bull uselessness.
     
  7. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    This Madrid is clearly beatable, no doubt. They will win the La Liga, but they are getting ripped apart in the CL. Xavi has done a decent job so far.
     
  8. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Not really work well with the dutchs though.
     
  9. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    LDJ is the in form La Liga striker

    He plays , he scores ..

    I wish that flick had gone in a few days afo
     
  10. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    TBF, they were without Alaba which seems to make a big difference. Nacho probably wouldn't even get many starts on our team. Meanwhile, Modric looked like he was 100 years old which is a concern for them.

    Fati wasn't sharp which of course is understandable. There were about 3 occasions where he could have had a point-blank chance but couldn't quite get that critical second-last touch right.
     
  11. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    I was also shocked by how poor Militao was for Madrid. He’s had a couple of really bad moments for Madrid this season that could be crucial vs other teams. Don’t think Alaba would have made a difference in that regard yesterday.

    On the Madrid forums they sing Militao’s praises but I don’t see a next Ramos yet. Araujo is a far better defender IMO.
     
  12. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    I saw the highlights and thought we played really well. We matched them blow for blow and with better finishing could have come out on top.
     
  13. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    This is a poor analysis. Defense is all about chemistry. Militao is newly a starter with a new signing Alaba. Of course it takes time to form a strong bond. He's stood out well in several matches and I think you're being harsh on him.
     
  14. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    #139 Jpows, Jan 17, 2022
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    What analysis? It’s simply an observation and a fact that he was poor vs Barcelona and it’s not the first time he’s been quite poor this season. If you don’t agree with that then you’re simply in denial and I guess I’m not the one with the poor “analysis” on him.

    With that being said, his brain-farts this season are disproportionate with the praises that are sung for him on the RM forum. Simple as. Nothing to get your knickers in a twist for. He just needs to iron out those silly mistakes.
     
  15. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I guess a lot of their excitement stems from his age. You don't expect a player to be perfect at that point in their career, especially defenders. I don't watch enough LPB games to assess him but I notice that he, along with Casemiro, tends to get the highest player ratings on a game-by-game basis among Madrid's defensive minded players.
     
  16. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    #141 Jpows, Jan 18, 2022
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2022
    Sure I agree, but again, that’s not what I was saying. What I can say is that going by ratings alone isn’t the best way to assess a player either. I’ve seen countless games live and saw players who excelled get low ratings and vice versa for players who disappointed. I have no idea what criteria some of these player rating websites use but many of them are questionable.

    With that being said, I think Militao is definitely a good defensive talent, never argued the opposite, even though he’s already 24 and will soon lose that prospect tag. But facts are facts.

    Anyway, all I said was that he was poor against us, and it wasn’t the first time he’s had crucial brain farts this season, both facts. The praises are disproportionate (e.g. “the best defender in the world”) in that regard IMO which is exactly why I also said that I was shocked. That’s all.

    I mean, we don’t worship Araujo to that extent and he’s younger and a better defender IMO.
     
  17. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Fixed. :)
     
  18. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    #143 Jpows, Jan 18, 2022
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2022
    I have no idea what you think you fixed but there’s no going around facts, even for you.
    Would love to hear why you think Militao didn’t have a poor game though.

    I’m sure that even those player ratings you seem to use as a metric for assessing a player’s performances would have given him the lowest rating of the whole team.
     
  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I don't disagree that he had a poor game. I'm just pointing out that's its an opinion, not fact.

    Same goes for your assessment on his season in general. Opinion.
     
  20. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    #145 Jpows, Jan 18, 2022
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2022
    Firstly, a fact is something that is known or proved to be true. It can be proved that he’s had a poor game by looking at his stats for said game. Shouldn’t be that hard, surely.

    Just because you have an opinion on his performance doesn’t mean that the facts back it up. I suppose you could always argue the facts…

    Secondly, I never said that he’s had a bad season. Lmao. I said that he’s had a couple of brain farts this season. Fact.
     
  21. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yes, it is more complicated than that. I mean, Benzema just said it himself how it annoys him when people assess a player's performance on stats alone. And you said it yourself above - that player ratings derived from stats don't always tell the story.

    Assessing someone's performance as "poor" is subjective and pure opinion. Not that there is anything wrong with providing an opinion...
     
  22. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    I agree with Benz, which is exactly why I said what I said about player ratings. However, in Militao’s case it’s not only stats but also visual confirmation of how poor of a game he had. I mean, what other metric do you need to determine that something is a fact?

    I disagree that assessing someone’s performance as “poor” is subjective and pure opinion all the time. Again, if the stats and visual confirmation prove that he’s had a poor game then he’s had a factually poor game. There’s no two-ways about it.
     
  23. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    You can't turn an opinion like that into a fact by gathering a bunch of indicators. That's why they are indicators.

    It's like if I say "Donald Trump is an assclown". Tonnes of new evidence coming in every week to support that statement, but it will always be just an opinion.
     
  24. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    Of course you can. Indicators are facts for a reason and can be used in determining a factual performance by a player. Add to that audio-visual confirmation and you have yourself a factual assessment.

    A player who has lost an x amount of possession, an x amount of aerial duels, completed an x amount of passes successfully, lost an x amount of tackles etc. can be assessed based on fact among other indicators.

    Some performance indicators can be debatable in terms of what’s considered to be the “norm” for a good or poor performance. However, some games aren’t even debatable because it’s so evident based on all of the above-mentioned indicators.

    I don’t know if your “assclown” analogy is quite right here. However, if you call Trump a racist and there’s consistent audio-visual confirmation of him using racist slurs or that his social media is filled with racist jokes than you can’t say that it’s an opinion anymore based on those indicators. Then you’re just in denial.

    Anyway, this is pointless. Agree to disagree.
     
  25. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I disagree that this discussion is pointless, given that most of your discussions on this board follow a similar pattern. The implication that its always your facts against other people's opinions, and they are just in denial. Of course, in reality its just opinion v opinion.
     

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