Preseason 2022 - What's next for United?

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey!!!!

    PS...you left out West Virginia?
     
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  2. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As someone who spent their formative years in SC, I am contractually obligated to slag NC any chance I get - I did consider adding Mississippi as well, but they actually made my ex-wife have a notarized letter from her parents when we got married there because she was still 17 - now this was back in 1983, so today's modern state GOP has likely rescinded that progressive law .... :)



    I really like our first pick's attitude if nothing else (I also like his play, even if I rooted against him/his college team whenever I saw him play)

     
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  3. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regression to the mean for Ola Kamara in MLS is 15+ goals.
     
  4. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    DC's scoring problem and wins problem has been competing against top competition. We score too many goals against bad teams relative to good ones and hope to leverage ~46 points a season from winning, at home, against mostly bad Eastern clubs. I guess we also have to talk about how the East is less of a joke that 8 years ago.
     
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  5. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's like Bolivian soccer mocking Colombian soccer.
    If 8 of them are PKs, and he's a lone forward, that's not good enough.
     
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  6. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    15 goals in MLS is a top 10 in the league type output. In what world is that "not good enough"?
     
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  7. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    A club that has had Owen Goal as top scorer all of the sudden is too good for a 15 goal scorer? I can see reasons why DCU might replace Kamara but I'd only be comfortable with it if I thought DCU could replace those 15 goals with someone or a combination of scorers.
     
  8. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, I agree. If DCU is able to sign a legit DP level striker who can create for himself in addition to pounding in service, moving on from Kamara is fine. But if not? Kamara is more than adequate for MLS.
     
  9. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    The best scenario is landing a legit DP level striker and keeping Kamara as an option off the bench. At this age, and with his history of disappearing down the stretch (zero goals for a month after his missed PK threw him off his game), he needs competition for that starting role. I see him as an ok backup. If he doesn't want that, trade him.
     
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  10. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahhh, the Kamara hot takes are insane.
     
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  11. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    The team wasn't good enough last year for the playoffs. We've kept our injury prone roster mostly intact and we're a year older to boot. Someone has to go and several players need to get in. It doesnt have to be Kamara but it has to be someone or more than one.
     
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  12. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    There are plenty of potential targets. Arriola is the only other player to get more than 4 goals.
     
  13. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not as good as it appears on the surface, no. But there are two points in his favor:
    1) that was over 1800 minutes. So 11 goals from the run of play still compares fairly favorably on a per-90 basis.
    2) our style of play generated those 8 penalty kick goals, and it's nice to have someone we can count on to put them away.

    Could we find a better forward? Certainly. Like so many of our starters, he's above average, but not a true difference maker. That said, I wouldn't jump on the forward-go-round just to try something new. If we get rid of Kamara, we'd better have a superior replacement.
     
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  14. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm staying positive regarding the offseason so far. Surely Losada's protestations haven't fallen on deaf ears!
    When I start to get nervous, it's b/c it's always like this: waiting for something to happen and expecting something to happen and assuming it will happen. Often times, the wait is fruitless and United hasn't improved it's roster. Why should this season be different?
    Because if they don't improve the team the coach will bolt and I don't think they want that. Because I naively believe they want a winning team and like the fans, they can see Losada has the goods.
     
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  15. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    My gripe with Kamara remains that he's not nearly efficient enough. Under Olsen, chances were fewer and further between, the misses were more glaring. With Losdaa there are a lot more chances, the misses aren't so glaring, but they're still there.
     
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  16. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The news of several days ago was that United was "open for offers" on Kamara. As far as I know the result has been silence. Have I missed something?
     
  17. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    I trust we are scouting the African Nations Cup for a diamond in the rough. Perhaps the Mogadishu Messi?
     
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  18. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goff reports via tweet a middle east suitor and at least one MLS side showing interest, but offers not serious enough to sell, yet.
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree, but I want to add a twist.

    If I were running things, I'd be very willing to listen to offers...if someone in the league offered me a deal based on Kamara's production last year, which I believe he won't replicate next year, I'd take the deal and use that bounty to upgrade the position. What I'm saying is, I believe this is the time when DC might be able to buy low, sell high on Kamara.
     
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  20. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Buying low/selling high on Kamara would require them to be able to get more than a $2.5M transfer fee on him.
     
  21. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    If DCU moves Kamara, the only forward left on the roster is Robertha, who seems, at best, "Kamara lite". The only other "forwards" are Perez and Yow. So, moving Kamara presupposes that Kasper, et al., will find a replacement "better" than Kamara in the remainder of the January window. Even though pre-season starts next week, DCU's roster moves so far include jettisoning a number of players and and adding two players who were at Loudoun last year. That looks like Wooden Spoon aspirations right now. But then, Flores will magically stay fit and actually perform to a level not yet seen here, so everything will be OK.;)
     
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  22. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean, yah, that's where things stand with a year left on his contract. It's tempting. But in some ways, he owes us for the first two crappy years. :D I'm not sure we could "break even" on a sale, in that sense. But I'm more optimistic than you are he can repeat 2021 under Losada - like I said, I think the style we play has a lot to do with his success. There are very few forwards in MLS whose games are as complete as Kamara's.

    Really, for me, it amounts to locking down a DP acquisition. If that happens and Kamara needs to go to clear some cap space, sure, get what you can for him. And yes, doesn't hurt to listen to offers now.

    Based on the negotiations we've been rumored to be involved in and quickly outbid, I'm not optimistic a better-than-Kamara transfer is in the cards.
     
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  23. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder if our goal production would be better if we played with a true #10. Most of our assists come from crosses whipped in by our wide midfielders, e.g., principally Gressel and Paredes, Our central midfielders are more of the holding or defensive type. Could Flores be that central midfielder feeding a forward - even Kamara, if he's still here?
     
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  24. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Well, that was what Flores was "supposed" to be for the past 2 years. If he can stay fit (not likely), that's his role. Is he any good at it? Given he can't stay on field here, who knows?
     
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  25. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    This is interesting - who is the teddy bear?
     

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