Camp Cupcake - Jan 2022

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by keller4president, Oct 18, 2021.

  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who is Torre? I'm assuming not Luca de la Torre since he's not a 6...
     
  2. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    When players take trips abroad to do "training sessions" many people on this board sagely say, well, it's actually kind of a trial in disguise. Same principle here. Are there new players? Well then it's an expand the pool camp in disguise.
     
  3. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any word on whether or not camp has actually begun?
     
  4. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    saw a tweet this morning of players arriving
     
  5. gtrower

    gtrower Member

    Jul 14, 2014
    Club:
    DC United
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  6. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
     
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  7. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I can't say definitively but this is the part that makes me a bit nervous. I see big European teams come play games in their preseason and look terrible. I see guys transferred out of season and have to wait weeks before they get regular minutes because everyone says they aren't fit enough. And then they get minutes and look rusty or not up to their normal standard for multiple games. I think it is a real issue with many examples and we're gambling that it won't have any negative effects if we rely on these players heavily. All I'm saying is we didn't have to take this chance if it were not for past decisions. I hope it all works out.
     
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  8. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    When was the right time during the Hex to involve Miazga or Carter-Vickers, though?
     
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  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    from their perspective or the usmnts?

    ill try to split the difference- when mckenzie was barely getting off the bench for his club while miazga was starting regularly for his. im sure its irrelevant somehow that their respective leagues are the belgian pro league and la liga, though...but it shouldnt be surprising to anyone mckenzie was shaky against honduras and poor against panama.

    but sure- miazga could have been poor too. you asked.

    outside of current form at any given time miazga has been a better player than mckenzie (actually i think its more accurate to say mckenzie has been overtly worse multiple times- but neither are ideally starters). i think its valid to question the decision to not only prefer mckenzie (full stop), but especially when you do factor in not only form, but a significant disparity in playing time.
     
  10. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I'm not bogging down into the 463 arguments over specific players this generates, just saying the guys in the camp right now are out of season and relying on out of season players is a risk. Maybe we just roll with Brooks and Richards since they are playing and in season. But then we ask them to play three games in a window, which Berhalter has been reluctant to do. I think considering what we see over time with playing out of season guys, I'm not sure we aren't heading into this next window with a lot of out of form players if we rely on the guys from MLS in this specific window. And just maybe this is something that we could have foreseen since we've known this is how the schedule is laid out for some time.
     
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  11. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was foreseen, and so Camp Greggnog and Camp Cupcake were initiated to keep the out-of-season players fit--at least physically.
     
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  12. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the two camps for MLS players helps but also won't most of our competition be in off season form or are the Central American leagues in season?
     
  13. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I've been making the point that relying on out-of-season players is a risk since this tournament began. We saw it to an extend even in September, and we'll see it in this window most of all. But the guys that we're going to have to rely on as first-choice starters that are out of season are the CBs, most likely, and that's pretty much it. Maybe just one, as Richards is looking good. Which means that we're talking about specific players. The rest are backups. That's why I mention Miazga and CCV, as those are really the guys that we're talking about, here. When was the right time in the past to have brought in either of them?

    Now, if a bunch more of our European guys go down (as they have), then we have to rely on more out-of-season players, and that's bad, but then that would be the problem in any case.
     
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  14. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    The Honduran and Salvadoran leagues follow a similar Apertura/Clausura format as Mexico and will have just gotten their Clausura season started again when this window comes up.
     
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  15. EXALIFTIN

    EXALIFTIN Member+

    Nov 23, 2010
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG] Looks like Dejuan Jones is making a good impression in camp, while I don't think he will make the qualifying roster, its nice to see that we have some real depth at the LB position at last.
     
  16. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    #541 schrutebuck, Jan 10, 2022
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2022
    According to Berhalter today, at least a few players in this Camp Cupcake have "asymptomatic" cases of COVID-19.

    Something, of course, to monitor over the next few weeks, since (1) I presume that even asymptomatic cases will have to sit out if they catch it in late January and (2) we don't want it to spread through the entire group of 20 players lol.

     
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  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Guessing that at least one of them is a center back given that they called up Trusty. Could probably figure out who precisely by looking at all the photos/videos that have been released.
     
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  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
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  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean if Weah isn’t available I wouldn’t be against putting Arriola on the right for 60 minutes against Canada, ask him to press relentlessly and then bring in Morris once he’s worn them down.
     
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  21. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    IMO that's the appropriate usage for Arriola when our first choice is unavailable.
     
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  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or is it, start Morris for 60-70 minutes, hopefully score a few goals, and then sub on Arriola to defend for the final 20-30?
     
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  23. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I’d rather hope everyone is healthy and Arriola is not part of the equation. To me there is nothing he does better than either of the other two except not get injured. And of course, if Reyna is still out on the wing by Qatar, it may all be moot.
     
  24. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both ideas have merit, but given Gregg's MO, it's far more likely that Arriola would start to wear out the defense with Morris to come on and finish it off than the reverse. Especially on the road.
     
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  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly I’m mostly just super wary of Davies on that side and I feel like we can use all the defense we can on that side. That and Morris might not be back to full speed/fitness quite yet. And I want to press Canada aggressively if we can.
     

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