2021-22 Hot Seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by ThePonchat, Oct 26, 2021.

  1. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    This hire was probably a lot cheaper than going after a ‘big’ name which in a Covid world was maybe part of the thought process second only to making sure the hire was a female at any cost. Success and experience takes a back seat to gender in the crazy world that is Womens college soccer currently.
     
  2. Number007

    Number007 Member+

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    I don't know how you right the wrong, but it sounds like an oversimplification to suggest she only got the job because she was female. In their mind, she is the best person for the job.
     
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  3. Fitballer

    Fitballer Member

    Mar 6, 2015
    The AD at CC is known for really interesting but thoughtful hires...I'm excited to see where this goes.
     
  4. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    #679 ytrs, Dec 24, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2021
    I said she had more experience at Stanford. She was there longer. However, in double checking this, it looks like they both spent seven seasons at Stanford. I did not think Hideki was at Stanford that long. My mistake.
     
  5. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    You admit you have never met her, never seen her run a training session, did not sit in on the interviews, have no idea what her role was at Stanford, yet you call it a terrible hire??? Unbelievable.
     
  6. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    I am male. But, I did not start this conversation. My posts make you uncomfortable because they highlight successful women. Why is it that you, a fan or coach of the womens game, are uncomfortable seeing women get opportunities? Curious indeed. If you are a coach, your job is to develop future leaders. You should be celebrating a hire like UCLA's.

    As for your point 2, Oregon hired a male coach with zero head coaching experience, yet no one was up in arms about that. And, why do you say Oregon State made a solid hire when she was an assistant coach, just like the alleged UCLA hire? It is ok for some schools to hire assistants and not others?

    Has it ever occured to some people that fit matters, interviews matter? Unless we know who they interviewed, how the interviews went, what the 'demands' were of the potential candidates, it is really hard to judge a hire immediately. And, unless you have seen someone recruit, coach, lead a session, etc, I think the barbs thrown out on here (regardless of gender) are unbecoming of grown adults.
     
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  7. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    #682 ytrs, Dec 24, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2021
    Just curious who you think the NWSL coaches are that would be good fits?

    I was thinking about the recent NWSL coaching hires the other day. Three of them are men (Carolina, Washington Spirit, and Gotham) I had never heard of. They were all NWSL assistants. Another is Cromwell, who has been in the college game but never the pro game. Who is the better NWSL hire? Hard to say until the results come it. But, back to your point about NWSL coaches, they do not have to recruit and network with donors. Recruiting is arguably the most important part of college coaching. So I am not sure that being an NWSL coach would automatically make one a great college coach.
     
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  8. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I agree. The Arizona hire proved that point :)
     
  9. Socalsoccercoach

    Dec 1, 2013
    Agreed and I think this one is a great fit and perfect for the school!
     
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  10. Lsc47

    Lsc47 New Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Dec 24, 2021
     
  11. Lsc47

    Lsc47 New Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Dec 24, 2021
    I’m just saying that this a high level position at UCLA and thought that this open position would draw some other possible coaches around the country or even Europe l. Not sure of any specific person or coach, it’s just a great opportunity to be employed by this university, Just not sure why this was a rush to hire, spring season doesn’t start until late March, still had all of January to entertain other individuals, but maybe the AD just wanted this off his plate
     
  12. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Love it when folks come on an anonymous forum to basically say "I know something you don't and I'm not telling"

    Lots of us could do that..... Useless.
     
  13. SuperSoccer1978

    Barcelona
    Nov 24, 2011
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Kat Mertz??
     
  14. SpeakeroftheHouse

    PSG
    Italy
    Nov 2, 2021
    I don’t want to say I told everyone so, but ok, I will. I said it weeks ago (and everyone jumped down my throat) that the UCLA job, while attractive on the surface, would have a very limited pool of candidates due to the cost of living in Los Angeles (where I have lived and love). No one with a family is going for that job. It needs to be someone with flexibility to move and being ok with renting, possibly with roommates. Great job and school, but limited pool of applicants. The hire they made was likely the best from that pool.
     
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  15. devad

    devad Member

    Nov 18, 2012
    The college team I support is USC (the east one) and my favorite college coach is Shelley Smith.

    I said ignore you not because you make me uncomfortable but because you make uninformed and biased statements without any knowledge. Case in point, the Oregon St coach was a successful head D1 coach before being an assistant.

    You used head ECNL coach as experience when taking about who UCLA hired.

    If you can't see the difference in UCLA and WSU as jobs and who they would attract I don't know what to tell you.

    Myself and numerous people thought the Oregon hire was a bad one. They hired an unsuccessful (for the most part) college assistant and a GK'er coach for the USA. They could have done better.

    IT IS UCLA. If you believe she was the absolute best person for the TOP job in the country, then we can agree to disagree. Civil and informed discussion is stimulating. What you do is drivel.
     
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  16. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Drivel? My comments are often liked by others. I never spoke about the WSU job so you were wrong to reference me on that one. Head coaching experience is head coaching experience. The alleged UCLA hire coached some of the top players in the country at an elite ECNL club. She has led a team. That counts. You always attack me when I defend hires. You and some others are so quick to attack female hires. I ask again, has anyone seen her lead a session, recruit a prospect, know what her role was at Stanford, etc? If not, you are immaturely judgmental. Why not attack the poster who admitted he had never heard of her and therefore she is the worst hire ever, That my friend is drivel.
     
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  17. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #692 cpthomas, Dec 24, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2021
    You forgot the SEC Tournaments in those two years. In the 2020 Tournament, LSU beat Alabama, then beat Ole Miss, then lost to Texas A&M 1-0. In 2021, they tied Georgia and advanced on PKs, then lost to Arkansas 2-1.

    In addition, their 2021 regular wins were over Mississippi State, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Arkansas.

    When LSU hired her, some posters here said something along the lines of the other SEC coaches would be dancing due to the easy wins they would get. Which is much along the lines of what some have said about the UCLA hire.

    However Hudson has done at LSU, it has not been at the level the negative posters said it would be.

    So how about we wait to see how UCLA does before making similar dire predictions.
     
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  18. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    Have the administrators that hired her seem her coach a session? How do they know she’s qualified? They chose this hire for one reason only and that is gender.

    YTRS is the modern anti-male coach that would scream up a storm if a guy with the same qualifications as the new ucla coach had and got hired. Job hirings should be based on qualifications, and experience, success not what sex you are. This coach can still do well because it is UCLA but she didn’t really have to climb the ladder to get there.
     
  19. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I would agree and disagree. Coaches would have been happy on some ways that Hudson wasn’t going to get them to a championship, and some maybe thought she would be the bottom of the conference so there are different perspectives. I don’t think this is the same as the UCLA hire though, Hudson has had success as a head coach prior to coaching Division I. The UCLA hire doesn’t have any successful experience as a head coach. A male coaches with national championship winning experience just got the LMU position (which I still don’t know is a great hire considering he doesn’t have division experience in the power 5 on the womens side or success as a mid major head coach) an assistant with 7 years experience and no head coaching coach experience just for the UCLA job which is a lot bigger. Pretty hilarious when you think about it.
     
  20. Socalsoccercoach

    Dec 1, 2013
    Eddie K if you read my post I said I would post after she told her team but before it is announced so obviously I am not doing a "not telling you".
     
  21. Socalsoccercoach

    Dec 1, 2013
    I can confirm not Kat Mertz...
     
  22. devad

    devad Member

    Nov 18, 2012
    I never heard anyone say she was a bad hire. More of a wait and see. My post was meant to say she is probably still in the wait and see. She had some really nice wins this past year and a head scratching stretch. Her 2 year body of work is a little all of the place. I doubt anyone is or was dancing. I didn't "forget" anything.

    And again, I am having a difficult time taking things seriously when we are comparing UCLA as a job to Utah and LSU. UCLA should reasonably get a top coach as it is a top job. Maybe she will do well and I am certainly not saying she won't.

    I do think there is a distinct difference in the SEC hiring practices and the PAC 12 ones. It is obvious.
     
  23. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I agree with Speaker's take on the UCLA job: It apparently doesn't pay enough to attract a large pool of very established coaches--and if the AD's preference was for a female coach, then the pool of candidates would shrink considerably and what some might think would be a big pool is actually quite small. If the job paid $500K and the AD intent on simply hiring the best candidate, the pool would surely be much, much larger.

    As for Shelley Smith: There are two coaches in the SEC whom I don't think I've ever heard compliment the opponent after a loss--and she is one of them. She and her husband have done a very good job at South Carolina, but she's got a very pinched personality, from what I've observed, and she seems quite the poor loser. I was also not a fan probably the best player she's had--McCaskill.She was a very talented at both soccer and diving in college. I've watched a lot of college soccer for more than a decade, and she is easily the biggest diver I ever seen.
     
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  24. Soccerhunter

    Soccerhunter Member+

    Sep 12, 2009
    Yup, I agree with you about McCaskill. I took the time in 2016 to carefully parse frame by frame from two different camera angles the dive that got USC a penalty kick in the quarterfinals. Her legs and feet were never touched, but when she lost control of the ball, her hind foot miraculously lifted up as if she had tripped on a brick and she sprawled forward. It worked. (Fortunately, the PK was saved....)

    Has McCaskill stopped such diving in the NWSL?
     
  25. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Posted on the 2019-20 Hot Seat thread:

    SoccerTrustee:

    The cackling I am hearing is from all the SEC coaches. A coach with three years at the Division II level just got the head job at LSU. This program that went to the second round of the NCAA Tournament just two years ago hired someone with no DI head experience for a Power 5 job. Brian Lee has got to be grinning watching this shipwreck. Lots of programs hungry to add LSU to their schedule now.
    And later, SoccerTrustee:

    LSU hires a head coach with no Division I head coaching experience. And then she hires a coach that won 1 game in 2 years at Jacksonville to be her assistant. Can't make this stuff up, comical.
    OGSoccerCoach:

    .... Welcome to the bottom 2 of the SEC for the next few years...
    Dadof3:

    .... LSU is in deep trouble. That hiring committee should be fired.
    Footyballs:

    .... they put in place a D-2 coach with 2 or 3 years of experience at NCAA as head for the SEC and she grabs her former associate head coach who just went 1-27 at the D-1 level, worse than the team has done in school history for a two year period, and added her to staff as top assistant. Hmmn, what could go wrong. Lol. Laughing my butt off. I need to get LSU on my schedule for the next few years, haven't beaten a SEC team in awhile.​
     

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