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Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Dec 11, 2021.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS Cup brings Portland's Providence Park party to life like never before
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4543503/mls-cup-brings-portlands-providence-park-party-to-life-like-never-before

    MLS commissioner sounds off on MLS Cup -- says Portland is what soccer in America can be
    https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/j...-model-of-what-soccer-in-american-can-be.html

    Timbers team up with tattoo shop for MLS Cup giveaway
    https://www.kgw.com/video/sports/so...away/283-3cf73473-5fe2-4adc-98f9-f01876d9452d

    Pep Guardiola Congratulates New York City on MLS Achievement That is "Good For This Brand"
    https://www.si.com/soccer/mancheste...n-mls-achievement-that-is-good-for-this-brand


    Out of balance: As 2021 ends, MLS continues to show that improving quality of play isn’t top priority
    https://theathletic.com/3009792/202...-improving-quality-of-play-isnt-top-priority/
     
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  2. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today's name the badge (name the league):
    KF-Apolonia.png
     
  3. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I looked it up and it's not the club I thought it was. Not even close.
     
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  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apollonia was pretty good in Purple Rain.
     
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  5. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Would never have gotten close and is that their current badge?
     
  6. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Albania tier 1
     
  7. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Winner, winner ... KF Apolonia from Albania's Kategoria e Parë
     
  8. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Hooray for corporate franchise football. Locations and hometowns (and home fans) are near irrelevant. Just matters which global brand you obey. Yay!

    I'm just going out on a limb here but I imagine the overall budgets for MLS clubs is a big factor.
     
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  9. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    She was also in a couple of episodes of 'Falcon Crest'. Jane Wyman's character (Angela) referred to her as 'Babylonia'! It was quite funny.
     
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  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a 2.6% correlation between spending and league position in MLS this season compared to 70% in the EPL over the last 10 years.

    Other leagues, not EPL, but leagues where money is an issue should be looking to MLS.
     
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  11. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'm not getting on about the Pigeons exploits being down solely to their corporate prowess. This is a case where MLS' cost control measures will at least mute that influence. (If anything I'd rather see other leagues adopt similar measures fostering competitive parity)

    What I'm bemoaning is a) how this as a model can lead to advantages in other leagues and b) the diluting if the local factor that is quintessential to sports. The reality is that both NY franchises have brands that link them to larger corporate structures. I feel those are bad for sport. The nature of what these competitions are implies each team should stand alone as its own operation, IMO.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that isn't specific to MLS is it?
     
  13. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Seeing as MLS has a CFG franchise and a Red Bull franchise I'd say it's relevant.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't say it was irrelevant, I said it's not specific. There are two "feeder" clubs in MLS, the Belgian Pro League has 6 or 7.
     
  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are they really feeder clubs though? Outside Tyler Adams how many players have gone on to play for Man City or another Red Bull team from NYCFC and RBNY?
     
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  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NYC had a few loans in the early years but since the Jack Harrison trade there's only been deals between NYC and Montevideo City Torque. I wonder how City feel about Gio Reyna.

    All CFG deals (as far as I know):

    Frank Lampard loaned to Man City.
    David Villa loaned to Melbourne City.

    Shay Facey loaned from Man City
    Angeliño loaned from Man City
    Yangel Herrera loaned from Man City

    Mix Diskerud dumped on Man City U23
    Jack Harrison sold to Man City for $4.4M

    Taty Castellanos from Torque for $468k
    Eloi Amagat free transfer from Girona

    Santiago Rodriguez loaned from Torque.
     
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  17. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fantastic article by Sam at The Athletic but I do disagree with a little of what he implies. The fact that he believes increasing the level of play isn't a priority is an interesting one. The alphabet soup of the salary budget was designed just for that but his point of changing it I believe is valid. A ceiling and a floor with thirty million seems reasonably well thought out. The only thing I might add to it is increasing the number with prize money and from selling players.
    .
    Adding prize money to the budget from where you finish in the table and in the playoffs would be first. Second would be from the Leagues Cup that starts in 2023.
    .
    One of the problems of winning in MLS is that it's hard to keep the core together as players are looking to be rewarded. Giving the team and the players incentive of expanding the budget with money they win in competition seems like a win win.
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  18. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was before she got blown up in Michael Corleone's Alpha Romeo 6C.
     
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  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I liked your post, it was thoughtful.

    However, this comment here, that’s not just an MLS problem. That’s a problem in any organization, albeit sports more than others. If you hire great people, over time, they’ll either deserve pay raises that will cause budget problems, or they will leave.
     
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  20. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea, I totally agree with other leagues and other sports. You might even say they would want to leave because of various reasons. The only big difference is MLS is constantly evolving their salary budget as it is a growing league.
     
  21. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    1. Screw the Leagues Cup.

    2. That's a feature, not a bug. You can't just buy your way to a title in US sports and I hope that never changes. Making it possible to keep your team together just by outspending them, is part of why I couldn't care less about most of what happens in the big Euro leagues.
     
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  22. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To each his own. For Me I think it's good for any sport. There is a difference between rewarding success with players you develop and buying players from other teams.
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Increasing the available roster spend from $9M to $13M under the new CBA by 2026 would be fine but I think the 2026 World Cup should lead to a sea change in the way MLS operates.

    You really want to take advantage of the familiarity the US will have with World Cup players and bring some star names into the league, not just the odd aging DP.

    It'll be the last chance we have to leverage a domestic WC for at least 30 years. It should be like 1996 but on steroids.
     

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