The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    We don’t really know the extent of his investment, do we?
     
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  2. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    A few packets of Walkers Crisps, maybe? Or the alcoholic leftovers from a Vardy Party?
     
  3. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That work has actually been shown, in this thread, by more than one person. There is absolutely a correspondence between spending and where you are in the league/overall pyramid.

    Are you SERIOUSLY feigning ignorance on this just to be difficult?

    Oh look, you literally back up my point here. Promoted clubs are usually in the top half of spenders ... The higher up you go, the wins and losses are determined by money more so than not.

    At the top end ... it's pretty evident, or are you going to pretend the EPL table doesn't heavily coincide with spending?

    Yes, which is why I stated it the way I did. The literal line point table placements don't fall in exact order by dollar amount spent. The correlation to table placement and spending is much higher the higher up the pyramid you go.

    Yes, they are different .... I just don't think you're giving enough credence to how much determination of that play on the field is being driven by the size of market/sponsors/etc even in pro/rel leagues.

    Take ANY pro/rel league of significance and how many see their top tv markets/population centers/etc (whatever you want to call the MLS merits) NOT in the top flight? How many big money backed clubs (with actual spending) aren't, or haven't been in said top flights in the last 3-5yrs? Yes, by nature of the system it is possible that they can't all be there in any one given season. What large market/pop area in said leagues isn't/hasn't been a majorily top flight endeavor?

    uuuuummmm well, he's the literal poster for all that is the magic of pro/rel (both individual and club) and he's decided to invest in the literal opposite set up of that. The irony of that is the point.
    With all of the questions posited to folks here as to why Americans would invest in pro/rel leagues if our system was so great ... you're seriously going to go off on a playground bender pretending like Vardy's investment in the closed shop American system is completely irrelevant?

    Here, let me put it to you this way then:
    If pro/rel is so great, so much better, and does everything it is claimed to do ... then why is the literal poster child for the system investing in the closed shop American set up?

    Either admit you made shit up, or just leave the thread at this point dude. Try as you might, you aren't going to simply change things/statements that were made.

    You got caught out and are just showing your ass at this point. Stop.

    The answer is probably the same as your point about Americans investing in pro/rel ... which you've been harping on for years, for example:
    Actual dollar amount? Not that I've seen ... but it was quoted as "meaningful" https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/18/jami...o-become-co-owner-of-us-soccer-club-14795242/ there ... and it is a 'minority' stake but he's "co-owner" ... and according to this: https://www.thescore.com/us_fed/news/2183061 it's "long-term" and he'd been working on it for a couple years before pulling the trigger.

    Also of note, they've been "dormant" for four years too ... which means they were quiet for two when he started the process.
     
  4. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Are Arsenal and United 'sharing' out the title between themselves yes or no?
    Are Leicester just the 'whipping boys' of the Premier League yes or no?
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll take this as your admittance you can't back up your claim and were lying.

    Since you're now an admitted liar, why should we bother having any further discussion with you?
     
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  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do sasquatch have green eyes yes or no?
    Is David Hasselhof an alien reptile yes or no?
     
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  7. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    And I will take this as your admittance that Arsenal and United are NOT sharing out the title, and I will take this as your admittance that Leicester are NOT the Premier League 'whipping boys'! So I don't want to hear such bollox spouted on here anymore! Then we can all be happy.
     
  8. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, see, this is just you trying to make something into a fact of this thread ... when it isn't.

    You never showed where this was stated originally and it wasn't stated in the latest back and forth where you claimed that it was. So, how exactly can it be said "anymore" ?

    Sorry dude, but you can't make a false statement and then belay responsibility and/or adherence to it on others. Not happening.

    Not happening.
     
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  9. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Obviously you wont answer simply because you know its true! I knew it was bollox at the time and simply waited to be proven right.
     
  10. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a made up question you've tried to insert into being a thing.
    NOBODY SAID IT .... EVER. If it was, SHOW IT. You're saying here again that it was said (you knew it was bollox at the time after all), so SHOW US WHERE IT WAS SAID.

    Here's the search function: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threadloom/search?query=thread:2029961&tab=824 <---- just type in the magic words before the ' thread:2029961' and hit enter!

    You've been proven only to be a liar and fabricator ... that's it.
     
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  11. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Atalanta-Villarreal was postponed due to snow. Here in the US, we probably would have played the match.
     
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  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here in Denver we would have welcomed playing in it.
     
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  13. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I did not make the Arsenal- ManU comment but I do remember actively rooting against their duopoly in the 90's and early 00's. They won every title except one from the beginning of the Premier League in '92 to Chelsea's win in 2005. I looked up and noticed my join date of BigSoccer was 2005; I'm guessing BigSoccer is not much than Chelsea's purchase by Roman Abromavich which was a few years before their first "modern" title in 2005. So, the poster could be remembering pre BigSoccer complaints about a duopoly.
     
  14. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    They probably would have played it in Scotland too. I wonder where the ref was from.
     
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  15. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yes it was said, apparently Leicester were only promoted as cannon fodder too!
     
  16. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    So are Arsenal and Utd destined to share out the title between themselves yes or no?
    Are Leicester simply 'cannon fodder' yes or no?

    I wonder why you refuse to answer?!
     
  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably. But it's like a 2 hour flight, so they can play anytime.
     
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  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Liar
     
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  19. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've point blank stated why I'm not answering.
    I wonder why you refuse to show where this was stated?
     
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  20. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Like tomorrow with no flight needed anyway.
     
  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well here are the search results.....most instances of the phrase "Cannon Fodder" come up in your posts....

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threadloom/search?query=cannon fodder thread:2029961&tab=824

    Here are the results for Leicester...

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threadloom/search?query=Leicester thread:2029961&tab=824&page=7

    There's some......interesting things in this result, but still no evidence to what you claim was said.
     
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  22. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    If someone said something along the lines of "promoted teams are there just to make up the numbers" or a myriad of phrases with similar meaning, then that would certainly encompass "Leicester City" being "cannon fodder" without mentioning either Leicester City or cannon fodder. So your searches are essentially worthless.
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #32973 Paul Berry, Dec 8, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2021
    What i said was along the lines of from an overseas perspective it doesn't matter whether it's Stoke or Norwich, they're just anonymous teams that your team needs to beat i.e. cannon fodder.
     
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  24. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nope - perhaps you can suggest as to 'why' I would bother lying about this??? Now why don't you answer the question?
     
  25. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Outside of empirical evidence that Crawly is flat out lying ... yeah, worthless.

    BUT BUT BUT, let's do more research .... just because.

    Using YOUR phrases above in your attempt to poo poo literal evidence:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threadloo...to make up the numbers thread:2029961&tab=824 (promoted teams are there just to make up the numbers)

    .... LOL, guess what isn't there! Even then, the real point of contention was his claim that Arsenal and ManU were always winning the title, was something WE claimed. This wasn't even a good attempt at deflection dude.

    Wanna go even wider with the net so you can catch a minnow and claim the fishing hole is good?!

    Why don't you prove your claim?
     
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