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The first one really looked a foot or two offside, but the second VAR'd-out goal was a ridiculous decision. The red line was drawn nowhere near Richiarlison's foot. Glad Everton won in the end as they deserved it.

They have to stop overruling decisions when it is simply too close to tell.

 

He is a total joke. He failed twice at Bayern maybe he was auditioning for the 3rd stint

 

I just found a photo online highlighting what I was trying to describe above, where they just drew-in the red line a full yard ahead of where his foot actually was:

 

Incredible that a ref who was busted for match fixing is still reffing at all, let alone in the top flight of the German League? I’d expect this from La Liga to be honest, but holy hell that guy belongs no where near a a match in an official capacity. Bellingham is right.

 

6 minute of playing Mbappe with 2 goals. Can wait for his signing with us to be officially

 

Kylian Mbappe becomes the youngest player in Champions League history to score 30 goals ⭐️ pic.twitter.com/wunZQs4VZQ

— ESPN FC (@ESPNFC) December 7, 2021

His trajectory continues to rise. Remember the days people said he couldn’t perform in the Champions League?

 

Is he ours yet?

 

I don't think that this is the same. This issue with a referee and match fixing is that the action isn't directly observable. You don't know if someone has done something to alter the course of the match because there are so many subjective decisions each game that can go either way even when things are on the up and up. The belief in a ref's impartiality is absolutely necessary and once he has shown himself willing to break from it, there's no real definitive way to ensure that he is not in the future. It's not that match fixing is a uniquely heinous crime, it's that lifetime bans for match fixing are about the only way to ensure confidence in referees (whether what this ref did amounts to match fixing is the debatable part in my mind).

On the other hand, Pepe kicked someone. It was completely uncalled for and outside the boundaries of what is sporting and what belongs in sport. He got a deserved suspension. But it was directly observable and actionable. It wasn't as if afterwards there was always a lingering suspicion that he might be kicking someone and no one knew it. If he re-offended, it would have been immediately known and he'd have gotten a longer suspension. There was very little chance that it would lessen trust in a way needed to have the game function.

 

your defending a referee for match fixing. Think about that before you reply;


Hoyzer had attempted to influence another Paderborn game, a league match against Chemnitz, but his assistant referee had highlighted a dubious penalty judgement as inaccurate on another occasion.

As a result, Hoyzer began enlisting assistance from other referees, most evidently Felix Zwayer, a 23-year-old assistant referee at the time. Hoyzer offered Zwayer €300 before a match between Wuppertal’s reserves and Werder Bremen’s reserves, which he accepted

 

What he is defending is the right for people to have a second chance after making a mistake.

The guy served his punishment for his mistake. He has then had 15 years of refereeing at the highest levels of the sport and has been commended for his quality. It's not right to hold his mistake over his head every time we disagree with one of his current actions.

What you're defending is accusing this guy of fixing this match. What proof does anyone have of that?

 

sorry, but I disagree. Take money once, you’ll take it again. Zero tolerance, considering the influence refs have and the cloud that it brings.

 

I don't know. If you are part of a refereeing team and take hush money (at least then) knowing the match was being fixed, that's getting pretty darn close to match fixing. It certainly doesn't convince me that a ref is on the up and up.

I honestly wouldn't have had a problem if Benzema had never been called back to the national team due to the fallout from that situation, though it seems to me notably less clear than the ref's. Even the prosecutors don't claim that he sought any gain and as Valbuena didn't want it to get out, it wasn't as if he should have reported it to authorities. Had he aimed to gain any personal advantage, I wouldn't have called him back had I been the French football association.

But again, it's a different scenario because the game itself isn't predicated on the expected honesty of the players. You might choose to not have him on your team as you think he won't be trustworthy to his teammates and so chemistry will erode, but there is nothing about that incident that would effect belief in the game. Really nothing players could do would do so. Players are expected to be partial. They lie (flop) to gain an advantage all the time. Because they aren't the arbiter, it isn't a problem for the game as long as you believe the arbiter is impartial.

The issue here isn't punishment. I honestly don't think match fixing is that egregious of a crime in the scheme of things. Certainly nothing compared to assaults/sexual assaults that some players have plead guilty to. I would exclude them, but as punishments. Your examples are essentially saying "well here are other bad things players did and weren't punished as harshly for." I am arguing that it isn't that the ref deserves to be punished most severely, but that once there is a (verified) cloud of suspicion based on past behavior, they are no longer able to perform their role without damaging trust in the game. That's why you can't use refs that have fixed matches or were materially complicit in it.

 

All of Mbappe's good plays came from him cutting inside from the left wing, it still intrigues me as to where he will start for us given Vini's emergence.

 

If Benzema got paid by the extortionists, then yes he should be banned.

Did he?

Did that ref take money from match fixers?

 

So is there actual proof that the ref fixed the specific game that Bellingham and Dortmund were complaining about?

 

Suarez injured. Hope he won’t play against us. Let’s hope they go to the European league, because now they are out and we don’t want them to focus only in the league

 

Goal Griezmann. Atleti surviving for the moment

 

Ajax won all their 6 games. Haller the only player with Ronaldo who scored in every game in the group stages.