Goal contribution of the best players

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Trachta10, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Joao1102

    Joao1102 New Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Jan 8, 2021
    Hey @Trachta10 has your Pele poll been updated and changed from 355 to 343 assists? which games had changes?
     
  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord

    Some interesting facts have surfaced yesterday and today (to be clear, I don't think he is quite a forward of the first tier, unlike say KDB, Courtois, VvD or FDJ in their position - many compatriots react in a dismissive tone):

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    Most goals and assists in one calendar year (OPTA, since 1988)
    2021 Memphis Depay 25
    2019 Memphis Depay 15
    2013 Robin van Persie 13
    2000 Patrick Kluivert 13
    1996 Dennis Bergkamp 13
    2010 Klaas-Jan Huntelaar 12
    1990 Marco van Basten 12
    1994 Dennis Bergkamp 11
    2014 Arjen Robben 10
    2010 Rafael van der Vaart 10
    2014 Robin van Persie 10
    2010 Wesley Sneijder 10
    2019 Georginio Wijnaldum 10
    2011 Dirk Kuijt 10
    2010 Dirk Kuijt 10
    (see the strange gap to #2 and the rest...)

    The European topscorers of 2021 (games, goals):
    Memphis Depay Nederland 16 17
    Harry Kane Engeland 16 16
    Cristiano Ronaldo Portugal 13 12
    Robert Lewandowski Polen 12 11
    Romelu Lukaku België 12 11
    Eran Zahavi Israël 11 9
    Karim Benzema Frankrijk 13 9
    Antoine Griezmann Frankrijk 16 9
    Aleksandar Mitrovic Servië 8 8
    Patrik Schick Tsjechië 11 8
    Kylian Mbappé Frankrijk 14 8
    Ferran Torres Spanje 15 8

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    "Justin Bijlow has taken the average highest VI rating during the World Cup qualifying cycle. The Feyenoord goalkeeper trumps Stefan de Vrij.

    Bijlow, who injured himself in the penultimate match for the all-deciding game against Norway, recorded an average of 6.67 in his duels. The closing item thus scores slightly higher than the 6.58 of De Vrij, who also had to miss the apotheosis of the World Cup qualification due to physical problems. The podium is completed by Virgil van Dijk with a 6.5.

    We only looked at the internationals who received a grade in more than half of the ten preliminary round matches. To collect a match rating, a player must have been in action for at least thirty minutes.

    Ten internationals met all criteria and Georginio Wijnaldum finishes at the bottom with an average of 5.61."


    THE FINAL STANDINGS:
    International Average Number of reviews
    Justin Bijlow 6.67 6
    Stefan de Vrij 6.58 6
    Virgil van Dijk 6.50 6
    Davy Klaassen 6.33 9
    Memphis Depay 6.25 10
    Frenkie de Jong 6.15 10
    Steven Berghuis 6.06 8
    Daley Blind 5.83 9
    Denzel Dumfries 5.81 8
    Georginio Wijnaldum 5.61 9
     
  3. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    There was an user that corrected some with videos
     
  4. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    Hi @Trachta10

    I did a comparison of Pelé and Maradona in world cups. I want to know if the data is correct and if there is something to correct.

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  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    There are two errors, Pelé played 1198 minutes and something interesting, it seems that opta give Maradona one assist in WC82, so it would be 9 in total.
     
  6. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    Maradona's minutes are correct? According to misterchip it's 1917 minutes.

    A comparison could be made with Messi who also played 4 World Cups

     
  7. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    some players added and updated

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  8. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Ferenc Puskás season 1959/60

    Age: 33 years, 2 months in the last game of the season

    36 games played (3240 minutes)
    49 goals, 5 penalties, 4 free-kicks, 2 headers
    26 assists (opta criteria)
    29 assists (transfermarkt criteria)

    Real Madrid, scored 132 goals (3.667 pg), received 50 goals (1.389 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 1.361
    Goals-PK: 1.222
    Assists: 0.722 (opta)
    Goals+assists-PK: 1.944

    Goal+assists-PK contribution percentage:
    (1.944/3.528)=
    55.12%

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  9. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    [QUOTE = "Trachta10, post: 40094025, miembro: 292409"] Ferenc Puskás temporada 1959/60

    Edad: 33 años, 2 meses en el último partido de la temporada

    36 partidos jugados (3240 minutos)
    49 goles, 5 de penalti, 4 tiros libres, 2 de cabeza
    26 asistencias (criterio opta)
    29 asistencias (criterios transfermarkt)

    Real Madrid, marcó 132 goles (3.667 pg), recibió 50 goles (1.389 pg)

    Por 90 minutos:
    Goles: 1.361
    Goles PK: 1.222
    Asistencias: 0,722 (opta)
    Goles + asistencias-PK: 1.944

    Porcentaje de contribución de gol + asistencias-PK:
    (1,944 / 3,528) =
    55,12%

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    That he did not win the ballon d'or that year is practically a robbery
     
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  10. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    didn't Puskas have 1 assist in EC Final?


     
  11. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
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    Last edited: Nov 23, 2021
  12. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Puskas doesn't assist this goal does he (Del Sol I think?), and the others Di Stefano scored are after actions from the right not by Puskas, and the second time after the goalie spills the ball anyway, so I think you are correct that he doesn't have one in that game.
    Goal! Di Stefano. 1960. Real Madrid - Eintracht Francoforte - YouTube
     
  13. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I checked again and in ABC is mentioned that the last goal of Real Madrid was scored by Di Stéfano with a pass from Zárraga

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  14. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Ah, ok, yeah that's probably right then. I didn't even have the sound on yesterday when I found the clip lol, if there was any on that video, and I didn't have any clear recollection about it being Del Sol or anything. It didn't seem like Puskas to me anyway which was what I was double checking.
     
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  15. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    György Sárosi - 1937

    1st Match : 24 Years 4 Months 22 Days
    Last Match : 25 Years 2 Months 26 Days

    40 games played (3600 minutes)
    68 goals, 10 penalties, 2 free kicks
    33 assists (opta criteria)
    35 assists (non-opta criteria)
    13 hattricks, 4 assist hattricks

    Ferencvárosi TC and Hungary, scored 158 goals (3.950 pg), conceded 61 goals (1.525 pg)

    Per 90 minutes:
    Goals: 1.700
    Goals-PK: 1.450
    Assists: 0.825 (opta)
    Goals+assists : 2.525
    Goals+assists-PK: 2.275

    Goal+assists contribution percentage:
    (2.525/3.950) = 63.92%
    Goal+assists-PK contribution percentage:
    (2.275/3.700)= 61.49%

    Ferencvárosi TC : 34 games played 58 goals 10 penalties 2 free kicks 26 assists 28 non-opta assists 139 GF 52 GA
    60.43 g+a c%
    57.36 g+a-pk c%

    Hungary : 6 games played 10 goals 0 penalty 0 free kick 7 assists 7 non-opta assists 19 GF 9 GA
    89.47 g+a c%
    89.47 g+a-pk c%

    2.147 Match Rating Average (1st in Ferencvárosi TC)
    (-1) Best Rating ever recorded (19/09/1937 vs Czechoslovakia)
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  16. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #1066 carlito86, Nov 27, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2021
    The 'Myth' of Marco van bastens 1992 ballon dor


    Gabriel Batistuta Serie A 1991/92
    23 years old



    13 non penalty Serie A goals
    2284 minutes played(25~ matches)
    0.52 non penalty goals per 90


    Fiorentina finished 12th place in serie A
    Fiorentina scored 44 goals in Serie A

    Gabriel batistuta scored 30% of his teams total non penalty goals in the league



    Marco van basten 1991/92
    27 years old


    16 non penalty goals
    2665 minutes(30~ matches)
    0.53 non penalty goals per 90


    AC milan finished 1st place in Serie A
    AC Milan scored 74 goals in the league

    van basten scored 22% of his teams total non penalty goals in the league



    To give this some perspective and a rough idea of what kind of team Gabriel batistuta was playing for


    In 1991/92 fiorentina finished in 12th place in the league

    In 1992/93 fiorentina were relegated to Serie B

    In 1993/94 they won back promotion to Serie A



    In 1991/92 AC Milan won the scudetto

    In 1992/93 AC Milan won the scudetto
    Van basten missed 19 of the 34 league fixtures that season

    In 1993/94 AC Milan won the scudetto
    Van basten did not even play 0.1 seconds of that campaign




    To bring even more perspective
    Gabriel batistuta 91/92 scored 5 match winning goals in Serie A and fiorentina won 10 league matches that season=50% share of his teams victories

    Van basten 91/92 scored 7 match winning goals and AC Milan won 22 matches that season=31.8% share of his teams victories
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/serie-a/gamewinners/wettbewerb/IT1/saison_id/1991/plus/1

    If even more context was required 3 of van bastens 7 match winning goals in Serie A 91/92 were penalties

    None of those match winning penalties were won by him
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mar...os=&minute=&pos=&torart=204&stand=gamewinning

    While 0 of batistutas goals in Serie A 91/92 were penalties




    I dont even need to bring assists into the discussion
    Especially between one playing for a relegation zone team and mediorce level players and someone playing with ballon dor podium players who could win leagues and champions leagues without him

    At his peak gabriel batistuta 97/98 had more assists(10) in the league then Zidane,Ronaldo nazario,rui costa etc


    Like van basten before him batistuta was also one of the few Serie A strikers to combine 20 league goals with 10 or more assists in the same season
    Only difference was batistuta required 0 penalties to achieve this feat

    Gabriel batistuta Serie A 1997/98
    28 years old

    21 league goals+10 assists
    0 penalties
    2790 minutes(31 matches)
    65 team goals
    https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Batistuta

    Batistuta was directly involved in 48% of his teams non penalty goals
    Fiorentina finished in 6th place

    Marco van basten 1991/92
    27 years old

    25 league goals+11 assists
    9 penalties
    2665 minutes(30~ matches)
    74 team goals


    Van basten was involved in 36% of his teams non penalty goals in Serie A
    AC Milan finished 1st place


    Batigol is still argentinas all time top goalscorer in the world cup
    He is still Argentina's top all time goalscorer in the copa America(Messi just equalled this after playing in more then double the matches)

    at the end of the last century(1999) he had 0 notable club trophies
    This was before his move to Roma and his partnership with Totti that won them both their only scudetto

    In 1999 Gabriel batistuta with 0 major club trophies was ranked as a greater historical player then Giuseppe Meazza,zinedine Zidane,lothar matthues,ruud gullit,Karl heinz rummenige,Romario etc
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamHons/HonsWldSocPlyrsCent.html

    Ballon dor winners
    Multi world cup winners
    World cup winners
    Multiple World cup finalists
    European cup winners

    That tells you all you need to know about how bad career choices can prevent you from reaching what's rightfully yours
    Yeah im suggesting with the right story and the league titles of someone like Robert lewandowski hed be percieved as someone much greater then this.

    Playing as the spearhead of Marcello Lippis juventus in the mid to late 90s Batistuta would've been something mythical and unprecedented in European football at least since Eusebio
     
  17. Caspian

    Caspian Member

    Sep 15, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    hi Trachta in your assist estimation for Pele have you included the fifty nine season and his Cosmos assists or the work is still in progress?
     
  18. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Hi bro, yes sadly I have not found a good source yet for the season 1959, so the best I could do is just an estimation, the same happened with the games in Cosmos, where there is a source but I suspect it uses the same criteria as transfermarkt.
     
  19. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I added some more players, and in the table added the column "V2" which is just the goal+assists contribution percentage but assists have a value of 1.33 and I also count the goals received with a value of 0.5, this benefits player that played in stronger teams.
    The calculation is. (G+A*1.33-PK)/(GF+GA*0.5-PK)

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  20. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    The general table, assists have a value of 1.33 and the goals received have a value of 0.5.

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    Also, create a table that benefits players who played large numbers of games, like Cristiano Ronaldo

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  21. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    Hi everyone,
    I checked on the Internet about Leonidas da Silva, one of the best Brasilian striker of all time.
    I saw for him 547 goals for club & country and estimated 119 assists with a total of 666 goals contribution in career.
    However, if someone has a better statistical database for him, I will be interested [​IMG]
     
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  22. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    #1072 CristianoPuskas, Dec 5, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2021
    Sándor Kocsis
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    Hungary : 68 Games 5797 Minutes 75 Goals 49 Assists 263 GF 0 Penalty

    1.16 Goals p90
    0.76 Assists p90
    1.92 G+A p90
    47.15 G+A c %

    Ferencvarosi TC (1946-50) : 84 Games 70 Goals 40 Assists 286 GF 1 Penalty

    0.83 Goals p90
    0.48 Assists p90
    1.31 G+A p90
    38.46 G+A c %

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/0dvfcc21vh78qcn/Sándor+Kocsis+Stats+(2).xlsx/file

    Ferenc Puskás
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    Hungary : 85 Games 7406 Minutes 84 Goals 55 Assists 326 GF 11 Penalties

    1.02 Goals p90 (0,88 Non PK-G p90)
    0.65 Assists p90
    1.67 G+A p90 (1.53 Non PK-G p90)
    42.64 G+A c %
    40.63 Non PK-G+A c%


    https://www.mediafire.com/file/3buaa5abcqndxcr/Ferenc+Puskas+International+Stats.xlsx/file
     
  23. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
  24. anamnesis del fútbol

    Apr 9, 2021
    [QUOTE = "CristianoPuskas, publicación: 40124088, miembro: 357895"] Sándor Kocsis
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    Hungría: 68 Juegos 5797 Minutos 75 Goles 49 Asistencias 263 GF 0 Penalti

    1.16 Goles p90
    0,76 Asistencias p90
    1,92 G + A p90
    47,15 G + A c%

    Ferencvarosi TC (1946-50): 84 juegos 70 goles 40 asistencias 286 GF 1 penalti

    0.83 Goles p90
    0.48 Asistencias p90
    1,31 G + A p90
    38,46 G + A c%

    https://www.mediafire.com/file/0dvfcc21vh78qcn/Sándor+Kocsis+Stats+(2).xlsx/file

    Ferenc Puskás
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    Hungría: 85 juegos 7406 minutos 84 goles 55 asistencias 326 GF 11 penaltis

    1.02 Goles p90 ( 0,88 Non PK-G p90)
    0,65 Asistencias p90
    1,67 G + A p90 ( 1,53 No PK-G p90)
    42,64 G + A c%
    40,63 No PK-G + A c%


    https://www.mediafire.com/file/3buaa5abcqndxcr/Ferenc+Puskas+International+Stats.xlsx/file [/ QUOTE]

    Do you know how many assists Puskás gave for the Spanish national team?
     
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  25. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    1 assist vs Brazil (to Adelardo)

    1.40
     
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