NCAA Billikens at Huskies - Safety Question

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  1. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
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    How is the NCAA allowing this game to be played. It’s the quarterfinals and this is worse than a grade school pitch.

    Players sliding. Ball stopping. Ball not bouncing.
    Certainly there was a turf high school field in Seattle.
     
  2. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Literally just squares of sod on mud
     
  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ooof, as a proud Husky that field does not make us look good
     
  4. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    That looks like a decent English first division pitch circa 1982.
     
  5. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    Serious question
    The PAC-12 is a major conference
    30,000+ undergraduates
    $3.5 Billion endowment

    How do you have a field worse than many elementary schools? Most high schools have a better pitch.
     
  6. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    But back to refereeing.
    If the ball stops moving and players are falling, how is this game permitted?
     
  7. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its been very wet in the Salish Sea region this fall (see the Vancouver floods). I'm assuming that's the root of the problem.
     
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  8. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    Looks like the problem is a lack of roots. ;):p
     
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  9. SA14mars

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    Jan 3, 2005
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    United States
    since this is playoffs, it's possible the conference has the final decision about playing.
     
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  10. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    It’s disappointing. Thankfully no one was hurt.
    But the first goal was totally caused by field conditions. The second was nice.
     
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  11. USSF REF

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    Competition committee said so?
     
  12. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    It's so frustrating that the laws are modified to include an invisible portion of law 5 which reads (if you could see it) "unless someone who controls your future says differently."

    While I don't want anyone injured, I hope that if one of these "You're playing" jerks get the hell sued out of them one day.
     
  13. SA14mars

    SA14mars Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Dallas
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    still not as bad as
     
  14. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    True, but I think there is a huge difference between risking the safety of professionals and that of college kids.
     
  15. SA14mars

    SA14mars Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Dallas
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    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair point. And to the referee's credit, almost all of that water fell between the national anthem and kickoff (about 3 inches in 6 minutes), so there wasn't an opportunity to reassess conditions before play began.
     
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  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not conference, this was the Elite 8 of the NCAA tournament, so it would be the NCAA's call.
     
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  17. seattlebeach

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    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    #17 seattlebeach, Dec 5, 2021
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    Yeah, welcome to early December in the PNW, where many of our grass fields are generally unusable - and we've just completed the rainiest fall on record (and it's been raining for 24+ hours). I've reffed on this field in some challenging conditions.

    There are turf fields, of course. UW has three others (at least?), one of which even has some bleachers, but nothing like their main field. The other fields don't have broadcast capabilities, though, and there are no HS/other fields within 45min of the UW campus that has anything like the UW field has. (All our HS fields in greater Seattle, except one, are turf fields.)

    Memorial Stadium, where OL Reign played until a few years ago when they moved out of the city, has (had?) the broadcast capabilities, and also one of the worst-quality fields in the region. They could have borrowed from Seattle U... but that's a tough sell. Could have moved to Starfire, where S2 played before they became the Tacoma Defiance, but I bet it was booked with something....

    Point being, not a lot of choices.

    (Oh, and some of our turf fields drain very well! Many, however, do not. I am on one of the latter tomorrow, when it will be 35F...)

    (Edited to add: UW did have a game ended early due to pitch conditions/rain in late October.)
     
  18. USSF REF

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    What laws? This is college, they only have rules.
     
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  19. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    and....
     
  20. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    My personal opinion is that it’s hard to say such a field is unsafe- it actually seems harder to get injured when it’s very muddy:wet.

    is it a farce of soccer? Sure. Is it a fair test of who is the better team? No. Unsafe? No.
     
  21. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    I tend to agree with this. It seems like there are a number of studies on various injuries (mostly looking at the turf vs. grass distinction) pointing in different directions. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing one study years ago where muddy fields were actually less likely to cause ACL tears (because you're not getting enough traction).

    But the worst field-related injury I've had was on a very, very muddy pitch where I went up to jump, but the mud sucked me down and kept me from going anywhere. I didn't really feel the pain during the game, but when I got home I could barely walk up the stairs.

    As a ref I think it's pretty unlikely that I would stop a game for safety solely due to the pitch conditions, unless there were other issues involved (hard slippery surfaces just off the field, obstructions near the field that players could slide into, etc.).
     
  22. USSF REF

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    I don't know. It's just different.
     
  23. espola

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    Feb 12, 2006
    I don't see how the keeper kicking the ball directly into an opponent is related to field conditions.
     
  24. Sport Billy

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    May 25, 2006
    OK, but I disagree entirely.

    The kick never happens if the ball was going to make it to the keeper.
    It wasn't so he rushed a kick with his plant foot on mud.

    The SLU defender should have never played the ball back in those conditions.
    But he should never have been put under those conditions in an elite 8 match.
     
  25. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    If the defender is passing the ball back, what other option does the keeper have besides a kick?
     

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