P/I/P Match P1: Revs vs NYC, Tue 11/30/21 7:30p [R]

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  1. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    The bye killed your chances, who takes a three week break before they play a match?:confused:
     
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  2. abecedarian

    abecedarian Member+

    Mar 25, 2009
    SSSomerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even after 24 hours, this one still stings. I thought, after Buchanan's late goal, that every sporting cliche about stirring comebacks was about to come true. But alas. And I would have bet good money that Matt Turner would come out on top in PKs. But alas again.

    MOTM for me was DeJuan Jones. Defensively, offensively, he brought it yesterday. (Credit to Matt Doyle for thinking in preseason he was poised for a breakout year.) May he not get poached by a European team.
     
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  3. Sachem07

    Sachem07 Member

    Mar 28, 2009
    Quincy
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    If Bruce doesn't stay as head coach I want Shalrie.
     
  4. Steve_R

    Steve_R Member

    Feb 25, 2001
    Somerville, MA
    After thinking about it since last night, I'm not really sure what to say about the game itself other than we've seen them do that comeback thing before, it just didn't work out tonight and honestly I think the better team on the day advanced. The euphoria in the stands when we tied it in extra time was unreal, I just wish that was enough to get the winner before PKs.

    This, however, after aimlessly wandering the league website just now, puts it in perspective for me and has me believing we can come back stronger. In past iterations it was a wish list. This time I think we can actually do it.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/originals-mls-supporters-who-were-there-start-legacy
     
  5. Sachem07

    Sachem07 Member

    Mar 28, 2009
    Quincy
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    This. 100 times this.
    We didn't come this far to stop now.
    I fully expect this team to compete and hopefully win.

    Even if my attendance IS a curse on this team. We can shake the Bambino.
     
  6. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I said this earlier this year ... the biggest difference between now and 2014 (as an example) ... I trust Arena to add to this squad. I didn't trust the previous GM.
     
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  7. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps rather than giving the one seeds a bye, they should have the 6 and 7 seeds have a play in game.
     
  8. superkeeper

    superkeeper Member

    Jul 9, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure where you go from there. You then have 6 teams in the next round which is 3 match-ups or you still then give the 1 and 2 seeds a bye in that round.
     
  9. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think at the end of the day, this was a fluky year due to COVID timing (remember the season was delayed to start). I would like to think that the future plans do not involve a bye like this because you shouldn't have the international window fall in during the playoff stretch.
     
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  10. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS playoffs have always been a dog's breakfast. The number one seed gets a 3 week layoff before a single game playoff? Really?

    We won the Shield. The best team in the league in 2021. That's what I'm taking away from this.
     
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  11. Revs In First :)

    Aug 15, 2001
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So many thoughts that just won't go away. I can't believe this season is over, despite not being even remotely shocked at how it ended.

    I keep thinking how this game played out like so many others did throughout the course of the year. Where we pulled a result out of our ass at the last second, even when we didn't necessarily deserve it. They did it again. The only difference was this one needed a winner, and we lost the penalty coin flip. I would have bet my house on Turner stopping at least one.

    Full credit to NYCFC. Their cynical approach to fouling and constant whining and diving drove me nuts but it is exactly what I would have done in their shoes. They never let us get into a rhythm. It still took penalties to knock us off despite being second best on the pitch.

    Then there's the thought about how some games during the season, our best moments came when some of our better players came off the bench at some point after half-time, or when someone like Boateng or Teal came in at just the right time. There's plenty to second guess about the decision to go with our best lineup from the start, or waiting too long to inject guys like the above into the match.

    Then there's the hatred of the layoff, the bye "reward", plus the obvious fact that the playoffs are a fickle bitch. Just ask the other top three teams in the league table that preceded us to the golf course.

    There's the fear about replacing guys like Tajon and others who may go. And not just replacing anyone who leaves, but building on what we have so we can be better next year. The fear of losing Bruce too soon into this project and the organization reverting. Bruce HAS to be back, at least as Sporting Director. He is the one with the cache, that doesn't belong to the organization fully just yet.

    There's annoyance at people who troll the Revs for the playoff failure by denigrating what was a great season despite the early exit. Simultaneously, there's happiness that the sports media has taken them to task for failing because they are treating them like they would any other team in the market that fell flat when it counted most.

    There's the excitement about a short offseason, the prospects of Champions League, the return of the Open Cup, the pursuit of unfinished business with the MLS Cup and defending the Shield. Last time Bruce's team won a Supporters Shield and didn't win the Cup was 2010. In 2011, he won the Supporters Shield and MLS Cup.

    Then there's the realization that, as heartbroken as we are over the early exit, this still was a season that I will take to my grave. The 2021 Supporters Shield winning New England Revolution. It was a hell of a ride even if it hit a bitch of a speed bump at the end. Let's go 2022, get here and let's go after it again.
     
  12. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. dncm

    dncm Member+

    Apr 22, 2003
    Boston
    Aren't we blaming this on the new logo?

    *still hurting :cry:
     
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  14. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do believe that rolling out the new logo mid-season was bad karma.
     
  15. mefster

    mefster Member

    Jul 31, 2007
    East Cambridge, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes, I believe that the NYFC technical staff saw all of those press releases about the logo and sat down and immediately said, "Let's take a 'cynical approach to fouling and constant whining' in order to win this game." Clear causation.
     
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  16. Argyle

    Argyle Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    Plymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK. I may not have thought it through that well. It does seem that the long layoff isn't helpful for the top seeds.
    I suppose the other plan is to add another team.
     
  17. Sachem07

    Sachem07 Member

    Mar 28, 2009
    Quincy
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Or cut one out of the playoffs.
     
  18. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    As for playoff format, why not give the top seeds their choice of opponent/schedule?

    I thought the team played their butts off, even if less sharp that NYC. We weren't winning midfield battles often enough, so we struggled and had to work harder to get possession - which all added up to fewer real attacking chances. I also thought we got drawn into some senseless fouling (Polster, in particular), which made it harder to make a case for NYC's persistent fouling.

    That said, I thought the ref did very little to control the fouling and constant delaying tactics. I realize the current-day rules interpretations give him little lee-way, but good refs find ways to manage games and discourage cynical tactics.

    I was always nervous going into this playoffs - we needed to be the best on each and every day, and the season-ending loss to Miami seemed like a bad omen. We were very effective winning almost every time out, but our margin of victory was pretty slim.

    It's all kind of ironic how so much revolved around Buksa. His recovery from injury allowed us to rebound from the early deficit w/o having to chase the game for very long. Yet, for a guy who hadn't played in over a month, he was called upon to make a critical PK after 120 minutes of work. The guy must have been totally drained.

    Yet, I felt really good going into penalties. NYC were practically in tears, falling to the ground and cursing when we tied it up in OT. Then in the break before the shootout, they were lying on the ground. But, when they took their kicks, they were flawless.
     
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  19. mefster

    mefster Member

    Jul 31, 2007
    East Cambridge, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That is the most frustrating thing about that whole game, maybe. The "best team in MLS history" pulls off another miracle to tie. Then up against MATT F'ING TURNER, and NYFC hit five flawless balls that Turner could not put a finger to, even if he was God Himself. After watching Nashville's performance at the spot the other night, we can only shake our heads and say, "Well done, NYFC, well done..."
     
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  20. KapeGuy

    KapeGuy Member+

    Mar 21, 2010
    Cape Cod
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am wondering about this. Can someone who knows chime in here and answer this: do PK shooters in the modern game go down the middle because they see the keeper committing to a move to cover a corner, or do they just hope the keeper will vacate the center? I ask because two of NYFC's five "perfect" PKs were right down the middle, including the match winner. I wonder if Turner might have been better off to be a little less aggressive. What if he had held the center rather than trying to read the shooter and get a good jump. I took PKs for my college team but that was a long tie ago and i didn't face elite keepers so i just put the ball low and in the corner -- I never went down the middle. The guys going down the middle now -- do they wait until the keeper commits and then send it straight down the middle, or do they plan to go down the middle just assuming/hoping the keeper will dive one way or the other. The pathetic looking PK Heaps took in the playoffs years ago, where he just rolled it down the middle to the waiting keeper -- did he go down the middle hoping the keeper would dive to a corner?

    As for the sad end to the season-- ouch. And i can't help thinking about how good it would have been for growing the fan base if they'd won. Also can't help thinking that the NYFC team was by far the toughest team they would have face, so if they had gotten by them . . .

    I am looking forward to the new season, and glad it starts so soon. I expect Area will be back -- if he does stays on another year, all is well. I expect Turner will stay another year, and I trust Arena to bring in a good replacement for Buchanan (not necessarily like-for-like but a quality player). I think the squad right now is one of the best in the MLS. I don't think the run to the shield was one-year magic deal. I don't expect 73 points next year but I do expect the 2022 Revs to compete for the shield and the cup and the open cup and I expect them to do well in the Champions league. It will be interesting to see how Arena builds out a squad that can compete in multiple competitions. One thing that will improve the 2022 squad -- a lot of guys will improve (eg Maciel, Arnor) under Arena, who seems to be a master at getting people to play to their full potential (eg Polster). I expect Revs II to continue to provide useable talent every year as long as Arena is the sporting director. Lots to look forward to.
     
  21. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to Twellman, the Revs said no to the Thanksgiving game, so they were given the option.
     
  22. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Philly could be missing as many as 7 starters tomorrow due to COVID protocols. Man, this was just set up for the Revs. :mad:
     
  23. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    I was thinking about this right after the game. I was thinking that NYC, which has access to some of the most brilliant minds in the game, probably had Turner analyzed by their coaches (and maybe even by MC coaches) to figure out how he's saving so many big PKs - and figured out something.

    But, you know, even when Turner guessed right and got across quickly, those shots were just too well placed.

    I still think, that if there was a flaw in our approach to the shootout, it might have been to rely on Buksa with 120 minutes play after a month out of action. OTOH, how to you not use your leading scorer?
     
  24. tsb11

    tsb11 Member+

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    I blame the schedule 20%, Bruce 60% and players having stinkers 20% (Bou and Tommy, but also Bye).

    I really want a manager that understands tactics. And not even advanced tactics. Just someone who realizes that the revs attack functioned exclusively on crossing all year long. Does Brandon Bye, Tommy Macnamara, Jones... feel liie guys who can reliably play an accurate cross? Ema was the best crosser on the team, but god forbid he gets minutes.

    And on the other side of the equation, the players on the receiving end seemed to never be in sync with the crosser, always running to a different spot that anything resembling an accurate cross was aimed at. I want a manager that can make these kinds of basic realizations and at least play the guys who fit best with the way the team is being told to play
     
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  25. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #100 RevsRule, Dec 6, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2021
    I agree and would also say that Bye and Jones are poor crossers while Boateng is a very good crosser. For what ever reason, Arena doesnt like him. When he finally started subbing, Arena put two stiffs on before Ema. They did absolutely NOTHING.
    One other point - Philly outplayed NYCFC for most of the game yesterday and they did it with YOUTH and HUSTLE, something Arena does not buy into. We need to get younger and faster by the Spring season. We cannot hope to do better if we roll out guys like Bunbury, Bou, and the Icelandic Iceburg
     
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